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Old January 27th 20, 11:40 AM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
Eviel Dewar
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"Read my lips.
I went to Nam as a journalist.
I was only supposed to be there for two weeks.
I managed to get a chance to visit a couple of high school friends who had been
drafted and were stationed at a forward fire base.
Grabbed a ride on a supply chopper.
Weather socked in.
Charlie decided to be obnoxious, and nobody could get out or in for three days.

And that is the end of a very simply story.
Never was in the service, never claimed to be in the service, never even
claimed to be a REMF.
I have an immense amount of respect for those who actually served (with the
exception of Hochalugie and Horvath).
I was nothing but a draft dodger who got very unlucky.
But....when the **** hit the fan, I did what I could.
My respect and gratitude to Mr. Plant. I'm sorry these pathological liars have
twisted my experience beyond any recognition. I assure you that in no way have
I ever tried to inflate it beyond what it was: the ludicrous lies of these
obsessed wackos are their own creation."
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Old January 27th 20, 02:01 PM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
Ted[_3_]
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On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 4:40:41 AM UTC-8, Eviel Dewar wrote:
"Read my lips.
I went to Nam as a journalist.
I was only supposed to be there for two weeks.
I managed to get a chance to visit a couple of high school friends who had been
drafted and were stationed at a forward fire base.
Grabbed a ride on a supply chopper.
Weather socked in.
Charlie decided to be obnoxious, and nobody could get out or in for three days.

And that is the end of a very simply story.
Never was in the service, never claimed to be in the service, never even
claimed to be a REMF.
I have an immense amount of respect for those who actually served (with the
exception of Hochalugie and Horvath).
I was nothing but a draft dodger who got very unlucky.
But....when the **** hit the fan, I did what I could.
My respect and gratitude to Mr. Plant. I'm sorry these pathological liars have
twisted my experience beyond any recognition. I assure you that in no way have
I ever tried to inflate it beyond what it was: the ludicrous lies of these
obsessed wackos are their own creation."


Here are the lies line by line..

" went to Nam as a journalist."

Scooter wasn't accredited with a news organization. He wouldn't be allowed in South Vietnam as a Journalist.

Universities and Colleges didn't send University/College Reporters to Vietnam. There was only one accredited College Journalist who was in Vietnam during the Vietnam War, and it was for a College Alumni Magazine.

"II managed to get a chance to visit a couple of high school friends who had been
drafted"

This sentence is from someone who had no idea about how the US Military and MACV worked in Vietnam.

No one is going to "Managed" a visit, the MACV (Military Assistant Command Vietnam) was the main bureaucratic hub for US presence in Vietnam. All Visiting US Journalist had to go through them. A US Journalist could travelled around Vietnam on their own, but any US military assistance has to get clearance from the MACV. The only helicopter base that journalist went out of was Bien Hoa near Saigon.

Scooter has said in the past he went to Vietnam as a "Dare" from US Navy SEALS, which is just as stupid and idiotic of a lie..

"were stationed at a forward fire base."

There were no US manned "Forward Fire Bases" in South Vietnam in April 1972.. (the month and year of Scooter's fantasy that he was in Vietnam) "Forward Fire Bases" aka Fire Support Bases, (FSBs) were artillery support baes, used by the US Army and Marines for offensive operations. The last US offensive in Vietnam was in November 1971. From 1971 onward, the US was withdrawing US Soldiers in large numbers, that by end of April 1972, there were around 69k US Troops in Vietnam, down from 500k soldiers in 1969.

Most of these troops were to protect fewer US bases in Vietnam, mainly around Saigon. If there were "Forward Fire Bases" manned in April 1972, they were manned by ARVN troops (Army of the Republic Vietnam) aka South Vietnamese Troops, with US Military Advisors as a secondary role. The US Military Advisors were Commissioned Officers.

There are so many lies and bad lies in Scooter's Vietnam War fantasy, that it is easy to show that Scooter is just making it up as he goes along, because he has no idea what happened in the Vietnam War. The Vietnam War for the US was much different in 1972 than in 1968. The US military presence was much less in April 1972, and many of the US military personnel in Vietnam were connected to the USAF.

I hope this ends, any doubt that Scooter was in Vietnam during the Vietnam War in 1972. He made the whole thing up. There are no story bylines with his name on it from this time, there are no mentions in day by day actions in April 1972 of US military personnel in a firefight at a "Forward Fire Base", even there was a huge North Vietnam offensive during April 1972. It is all a fantasy of a pathological liar. It is really sad and pathetic.
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Old January 27th 20, 03:48 PM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
Harvard Horvath
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[Default] On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 04:40:40 -0800 (PST), Eviel Dewar
wrote this crap:

"Read my lips.
I went to Nam as a journalist.
I was only supposed to be there for two weeks.
I managed to get a chance to visit a couple of high school friends who had been
drafted and were stationed at a forward fire base.
Grabbed a ride on a supply chopper.
Weather socked in.
Charlie decided to be obnoxious, and nobody could get out or in for three days.

And that is the end of a very simply story.
Never was in the service, never claimed to be in the service, never even
claimed to be a REMF.
I have an immense amount of respect for those who actually served (with the
exception of Hochalugie and Horvath).
I was nothing but a draft dodger who got very unlucky.
But....when the **** hit the fan, I did what I could.
My respect and gratitude to Mr. Plant. I'm sorry these pathological liars have
twisted my experience beyond any recognition. I assure you that in no way have
I ever tried to inflate it beyond what it was: the ludicrous lies of these
obsessed wackos are their own creation."


Julian Assange? Pinocchio? Walter Mitty? Jon Lovitz (that's the
ticket)


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Old January 31st 20, 04:44 PM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
Eviel Dewar
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On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 10:01:04 AM UTC-5, Ted wrote:
On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 4:40:41 AM UTC-8, Eviel Dewar wrote:
"Read my lips.
I went to Nam as a journalist.
I was only supposed to be there for two weeks.
I managed to get a chance to visit a couple of high school friends who had been
drafted and were stationed at a forward fire base.
Grabbed a ride on a supply chopper.
Weather socked in.
Charlie decided to be obnoxious, and nobody could get out or in for three days.

And that is the end of a very simply story.
Never was in the service, never claimed to be in the service, never even
claimed to be a REMF.
I have an immense amount of respect for those who actually served (with the
exception of Hochalugie and Horvath).
I was nothing but a draft dodger who got very unlucky.
But....when the **** hit the fan, I did what I could.
My respect and gratitude to Mr. Plant. I'm sorry these pathological liars have
twisted my experience beyond any recognition. I assure you that in no way have
I ever tried to inflate it beyond what it was: the ludicrous lies of these
obsessed wackos are their own creation."


Here are the lies line by line..

" went to Nam as a journalist."

Scooter wasn't accredited with a news organization. He wouldn't be allowed in South Vietnam as a Journalist.

Universities and Colleges didn't send University/College Reporters to Vietnam. There was only one accredited College Journalist who was in Vietnam during the Vietnam War, and it was for a College Alumni Magazine.

"II managed to get a chance to visit a couple of high school friends who had been
drafted"

This sentence is from someone who had no idea about how the US Military and MACV worked in Vietnam.

No one is going to "Managed" a visit, the MACV (Military Assistant Command Vietnam) was the main bureaucratic hub for US presence in Vietnam. All Visiting US Journalist had to go through them. A US Journalist could travelled around Vietnam on their own, but any US military assistance has to get clearance from the MACV. The only helicopter base that journalist went out of was Bien Hoa near Saigon.

Scooter has said in the past he went to Vietnam as a "Dare" from US Navy SEALS, which is just as stupid and idiotic of a lie..

"were stationed at a forward fire base."

There were no US manned "Forward Fire Bases" in South Vietnam in April 1972. (the month and year of Scooter's fantasy that he was in Vietnam) "Forward Fire Bases" aka Fire Support Bases, (FSBs) were artillery support baes, used by the US Army and Marines for offensive operations. The last US offensive in Vietnam was in November 1971. From 1971 onward, the US was withdrawing US Soldiers in large numbers, that by end of April 1972, there were around 69k US Troops in Vietnam, down from 500k soldiers in 1969.

Most of these troops were to protect fewer US bases in Vietnam, mainly around Saigon. If there were "Forward Fire Bases" manned in April 1972, they were manned by ARVN troops (Army of the Republic Vietnam) aka South Vietnamese Troops, with US Military Advisors as a secondary role. The US Military Advisors were Commissioned Officers.

There are so many lies and bad lies in Scooter's Vietnam War fantasy, that it is easy to show that Scooter is just making it up as he goes along, because he has no idea what happened in the Vietnam War. The Vietnam War for the US was much different in 1972 than in 1968. The US military presence was much less in April 1972, and many of the US military personnel in Vietnam were connected to the USAF.

I hope this ends, any doubt that Scooter was in Vietnam during the Vietnam War in 1972. He made the whole thing up. There are no story bylines with his name on it from this time, there are no mentions in day by day actions in April 1972 of US military personnel in a firefight at a "Forward Fire Base", even there was a huge North Vietnam offensive during April 1972. It is all a fantasy of a pathological liar. It is really sad and pathetic.


As an added cringe factor, his lie contains a humble brag!

"I was nothing but a draft dodger who got very unlucky.
But....when the **** hit the fan, I did what I could."

Oh, and I also love:

"Grabbed a ride on a supply chopper.
Weather socked in."

He's borrowing lingo from ski mountains, lol. Was it snowing in Vietnam, Saigon Schattie?

Finally, he says "And that is the end of a very simply[sic] story." I believe what he meant to say was "a very simply MADE-UP story". LMAO!
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Old January 31st 20, 05:32 PM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
Harvard Horvath
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[Default] On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 09:44:46 -0800 (PST), Eviel Dewar
wrote this crap:

As an added cringe factor, his lie contains a humble brag!

"I was nothing but a draft dodger who got very unlucky.
But....when the **** hit the fan, I did what I could."

Oh, and I also love:

"Grabbed a ride on a supply chopper.
Weather socked in."


I wondered about that too! All the chopper pilots I knew flew in all
kinds of weather. They don't have tornadoes or hurricanes in Vietnam.
Do they?

He's borrowing lingo from ski mountains, lol.
Was it snowing in Vietnam, Saigon Schattie?


Maybe in the mountains?

Finally, he says "And that is the end of a very simply[sic] story."
I believe what he meant to say was "a very simply
MADE-UP story". LMAO!


You know where he's at right now? He never travels without his
computer or kindle or smart phone. He doesn't have access to those
things in jail. You know why he doesn't give us pics of his trips?
You can't take selfies in jail.


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Old January 31st 20, 07:04 PM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
BrritSki[_5_]
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On 31/01/2020 17:44, Eviel Dewar wrote:
On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 10:01:04 AM UTC-5, Ted wrote:

"Grabbed a ride on a supply chopper.
Weather socked in."

He's borrowing lingo from ski mountains, lol.


I think you'll find that we skiers borrowed the phrase socked in from
aviation actually. Merriam-Webster records the first usage as 1944 and
it refers to fog or or weather that prevents flying, not just snow. I
certainly heard it when I started flying in the 60s in the UK. Possibly
derived from the wind-sock which in the early days you had to be able to
see to be able to land...

Apart from that the rest is 100% pure undiluted BS.
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Old February 3rd 20, 07:37 PM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
The Real Bev[_4_]
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On 02/03/2020 11:44 AM, Harvard Horvath wrote:

Trust me, as a guy who spent many many hours in choppers, when you hit
the ground you were definitely flying too low.


No ****. The hills there just aren't that high. Confusion is a harsh
mistress.

I got to sort-of fly one once. The trainer said that standard practice
was to follow freeways on the proper side, which apparently Kobe's pilot
was doing. Anyway, I was a good girl and did what he said. I should
have done "I wonder what will happen if I do this" stuff. It was a
small trainer. He probably wouldn't have let me kill us.

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Cheers, Bev
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Old February 3rd 20, 08:20 PM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
BrritSki[_5_]
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On 03/02/2020 19:44, Harvard Horvath wrote:
[Default] On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 20:04:11 +0000, BrritSki
wrote this crap:

On 31/01/2020 17:44, Eviel Dewar wrote:
On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 10:01:04 AM UTC-5, Ted wrote:

"Grabbed a ride on a supply chopper.
Weather socked in."

He's borrowing lingo from ski mountains, lol.


I think you'll find that we skiers borrowed the phrase socked in from
aviation actually. Merriam-Webster records the first usage as 1944 and
it refers to fog or or weather that prevents flying, not just snow. I
certainly heard it when I started flying in the 60s in the UK. Possibly
derived from the wind-sock which in the early days you had to be able to
see to be able to land...


Chopper pilots don't look at wind socks.


No, but that's where the term originated, probably before choppers were
widely in use.


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Old February 10th 20, 10:43 PM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
Harvard Horvath
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[Default] On Mon, 3 Feb 2020 12:37:04 -0800, The Real Bev
wrote this crap:

On 02/03/2020 11:44 AM, Harvard Horvath wrote:

Trust me, as a guy who spent many many hours in choppers, when you hit
the ground you were definitely flying too low.


No ****. The hills there just aren't that high. Confusion is a harsh
mistress.

I got to sort-of fly one once. The trainer said that standard practice
was to follow freeways on the proper side, which apparently Kobe's pilot
was doing. Anyway, I was a good girl and did what he said. I should
have done "I wonder what will happen if I do this" stuff. It was a
small trainer. He probably wouldn't have let me kill us.


Jeez. It's hard to brag about not killing people. But you do it
well.


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Old March 16th 20, 05:10 AM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
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On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 4:40:41 AM UTC-8, Eviel Dewar wrote:
"Read my lips.
I went to Nam as a journalist.
I was only supposed to be there for two weeks.
I managed to get a chance to visit a couple of high school friends who had been
drafted and were stationed at a forward fire base.
Grabbed a ride on a supply chopper.
Weather socked in.
Charlie decided to be obnoxious, and nobody could get out or in for three days.

And that is the end of a very simply story.
Never was in the service, never claimed to be in the service, never even
claimed to be a REMF.
I have an immense amount of respect for those who actually served (with the
exception of Hochalugie and Horvath).
I was nothing but a draft dodger who got very unlucky.
But....when the **** hit the fan, I did what I could.
My respect and gratitude to Mr. Plant. I'm sorry these pathological liars have
twisted my experience beyond any recognition. I assure you that in no way have
I ever tried to inflate it beyond what it was: the ludicrous lies of these
obsessed wackos are their own creation."


LOL YOU'RE A JOURNALIST? aka a huge nerd........ ur job is to sit around and be a nerd all day and read books.......... the spleen of that housecat must have been completely messed up when you tried to kiss it....... lol

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