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Cross training for nordic skiing
I'm interested in what the opinions of the group members are with regard to
biking (road or mountain) vs. running as cross training for nordic skiing. When I was bike racing, I found that running seemed to have very little cross over effect, though interestingly biking seemed to help my running a lot (maybe because I am a better natural runner?). In the same manner, do you find biking a better cross training activity, or do you find running to help your xc skiing more? Mike |
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"Mickey D." wrote in message ...
I'm interested in what the opinions of the group members are with regard to biking (road or mountain) vs. running as cross training for nordic skiing. When I was bike racing, I found that running seemed to have very little cross over effect, though interestingly biking seemed to help my running a lot (maybe because I am a better natural runner?). In the same manner, do you find biking a better cross training activity, or do you find running to help your xc skiing more? I think running is more efficient in terms of time and also for many people it is easier to get your heart rate up to 90-95% MHR for high-intensity intervals. I know I can't do that bicycling. On the other hand, cycling is probably better for doing long distance workouts because it is easy on your knees. Probably a mix is a good idea for injury prevention since running too much (especially on hard surfaces) probably causes more overuse injuries than any other sport. I started doing a combination of cycling, running, kayaking and roller skiing this year and find it's alot more fun than just doing one thing every day. That's the beauty of ski training... you aren't limited to one activity. Mike |
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"Mickey D." wrote in message ...
I'm interested in what the opinions of the group members are with regard to biking (road or mountain) vs. running as cross training for nordic skiing. [ ] For me, they're both very close. XC ski races are often longer than typical running races. Unless you're a marathon runner. Cycling hurts you for several hours at a time so it's closer to the suffering involved in long XC events. I would think that hilly trail running would be GREAT for classic training. Cycling and speed-skating cross over a lot---so maybe cycling works better with ski-skating. But I've always found cycling to be good with classic also. If you're thinking strictly non-ski-types of cross training, I'd always be sure to toss in lots of PADDLING so as to not neglect the upper body. ---Canoe racing/training also lasts similar amounts of time compared to XC events and so is good in that regard. I've known good runners who did well at XC, but it seems like I've known more good cyclists who do well at XC. A summer spent running, riding and paddling is a great way to prepare for XC. Switch to rollerskiing in the fall and you're in like Flynn. --JP |
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--- "Mickey D." wrote: I'm interested in what the opinions of the group members are with regard to biking (road or mountain) vs. running as cross training for nordic skiing. When I was bike racing, I found that running seemed to have very little cross over effect, though interestingly biking seemed to help my running a lot (maybe because I am a better natural runner?). In the same manner, do you find biking a better cross training activity, or do you find running to help your xc skiing more? Mike Hi Mike- I don't think it's an easy "either-or" answer for biking vs. running. I think running is good as a base because it's a weight-bearing activity similar to XC skiing, and involves a more ski-specific motion. And when combined with hiking and activities such as ski-walking and hiking with poles, running/hiking can be a very ski-specific mode of training. However, I'm finding that *just* running does not do very much for strength and power, which is also essential to XC skiing (at least for racing). I'm finding that biking, with hill climbs, sprints among friends, etc., is more of a natural training mode for those types of strength. Of course, you could do things like track workouts and other ski-specific dryland workouts to add strength/power to a running training program. And then, of course, *neither* one does much for your upper body... Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail |
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Chris Cline wrote:
--- "Mickey D." wrote: I'm interested in what the opinions of the group members are with regard to biking (road or mountain) vs. running as cross training for nordic skiing. When I was bike racing, I found that running seemed to have very little cross over effect, though interestingly biking seemed to help my running a lot (maybe because I am a better natural runner?). In the same manner, do you find biking a better cross training activity, or do you find running to help your xc skiing more? Mike Hi Mike- I don't think it's an easy "either-or" answer for biking vs. running. I think running is good as a base because it's a weight-bearing activity similar to XC skiing, and involves a more ski-specific motion. And when combined with hiking and activities such as ski-walking and hiking with poles, running/hiking can be a very ski-specific mode of training. However, I'm finding that *just* running does not do very much for strength and power, which is also essential to XC skiing (at least for racing). I'm finding that biking, with hill climbs, sprints among friends, etc., is more of a natural training mode for those types of strength. Of course, you could do things like track workouts and other ski-specific dryland workouts to add strength/power to a running training program. And then, of course, *neither* one does much for your upper body... Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail go paddle a marathon canoe or fast kayak - or even row. Although I think Jay swears by raking leaves:-) Marsh |
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I'm more of a recreational X-C skier but I do get out 25 times each year.
For the past three summers I've been doing a lot of hiking with trekking poles to save my knees on the downhills. I find that I can speed up my uphills with them and this activity seem keep my shoulders strong for poling in the winter. "Chris Cline" wrote in message o.com... --- "Mickey D." wrote: I'm interested in what the opinions of the group members are with regard to biking (road or mountain) vs. running as cross training for nordic skiing. When I was bike racing, I found that running seemed to have very little cross over effect, though interestingly biking seemed to help my running a lot (maybe because I am a better natural runner?). In the same manner, do you find biking a better cross training activity, or do you find running to help your xc skiing more? Mike Hi Mike- I don't think it's an easy "either-or" answer for biking vs. running. I think running is good as a base because it's a weight-bearing activity similar to XC skiing, and involves a more ski-specific motion. And when combined with hiking and activities such as ski-walking and hiking with poles, running/hiking can be a very ski-specific mode of training. However, I'm finding that *just* running does not do very much for strength and power, which is also essential to XC skiing (at least for racing). I'm finding that biking, with hill climbs, sprints among friends, etc., is more of a natural training mode for those types of strength. Of course, you could do things like track workouts and other ski-specific dryland workouts to add strength/power to a running training program. And then, of course, *neither* one does much for your upper body... Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail |
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Here are my summer options Run 70%, rollerski 25%, run with poles 5%.
The running with poles is saved for cold, rainy days when rollerskiing is out the question and I need an upper body workout - it also saves the legs from lots of pounding and work. JK Used to do tons of mtn and road biking but then I had 3 kids and now I'm broke and can't maintain the bikes. "Darrel Newman" wrote in message . cable.rogers.com... I'm more of a recreational X-C skier but I do get out 25 times each year. For the past three summers I've been doing a lot of hiking with trekking poles to save my knees on the downhills. I find that I can speed up my uphills with them and this activity seem keep my shoulders strong for poling in the winter. "Chris Cline" wrote in message o.com... --- "Mickey D." wrote: I'm interested in what the opinions of the group members are with regard to biking (road or mountain) vs. running as cross training for nordic skiing. When I was bike racing, I found that running seemed to have very little cross over effect, though interestingly biking seemed to help my running a lot (maybe because I am a better natural runner?). In the same manner, do you find biking a better cross training activity, or do you find running to help your xc skiing more? Mike Hi Mike- I don't think it's an easy "either-or" answer for biking vs. running. I think running is good as a base because it's a weight-bearing activity similar to XC skiing, and involves a more ski-specific motion. And when combined with hiking and activities such as ski-walking and hiking with poles, running/hiking can be a very ski-specific mode of training. However, I'm finding that *just* running does not do very much for strength and power, which is also essential to XC skiing (at least for racing). I'm finding that biking, with hill climbs, sprints among friends, etc., is more of a natural training mode for those types of strength. Of course, you could do things like track workouts and other ski-specific dryland workouts to add strength/power to a running training program. And then, of course, *neither* one does much for your upper body... Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail |
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How about rock climbing and alpine mountain climbing for strength and
endurance? I use these as a bi or tri monthly 2-4 day "workout". Sue Mammoth Lakes, CA 93546 ----- Original Message ----- From: "32 degrees" To: "Multiple recipients of list NORDIC-SKI" Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 5:35 PM Subject: Cross training for nordic skiing Here are my summer options Run 70%, rollerski 25%, run with poles 5%. The running with poles is saved for cold, rainy days when rollerskiing is out the question and I need an upper body workout - it also saves the legs from lots of pounding and work. JK Used to do tons of mtn and road biking but then I had 3 kids and now I'm broke and can't maintain the bikes. "Darrel Newman" wrote in message . cable.rogers.com... I'm more of a recreational X-C skier but I do get out 25 times each year. For the past three summers I've been doing a lot of hiking with trekking poles to save my knees on the downhills. I find that I can speed up my uphills with them and this activity seem keep my shoulders strong for poling in the winter. "Chris Cline" wrote in message o.com... --- "Mickey D." wrote: I'm interested in what the opinions of the group members are with regard to biking (road or mountain) vs. running as cross training for nordic skiing. When I was bike racing, I found that running seemed to have very little cross over effect, though interestingly biking seemed to help my running a lot (maybe because I am a better natural runner?). In the same manner, do you find biking a better cross training activity, or do you find running to help your xc skiing more? Mike Hi Mike- I don't think it's an easy "either-or" answer for biking vs. running. I think running is good as a base because it's a weight-bearing activity similar to XC skiing, and involves a more ski-specific motion. And when combined with hiking and activities such as ski-walking and hiking with poles, running/hiking can be a very ski-specific mode of training. However, I'm finding that *just* running does not do very much for strength and power, which is also essential to XC skiing (at least for racing). I'm finding that biking, with hill climbs, sprints among friends, etc., is more of a natural training mode for those types of strength. Of course, you could do things like track workouts and other ski-specific dryland workouts to add strength/power to a running training program. And then, of course, *neither* one does much for your upper body... Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail |
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SUSAN BURAK wrote:
How about rock climbing and alpine mountain climbing for strength and endurance? I use these as a bi or tri monthly 2-4 day "workout". I believe rock climbing as strength training can indeed help: 3 years ago I was 44, which meant that I was the oldest in my age group (40-44) in orienteering. That winter I had worked out at an indoor climbing gym about twice a week, gradually getting closer to my old form (I used to climb up to 5.12 in Yosemite back in the 1980'ies). During the spring/summer/fall orienteering season, all that lower leg/ankle/foot strength training seemed to result in much better cross country running speed, with a very enjoyable bounce in my step. The result was my best season ever, winning the national and county championships in my age group, as well as more than half of the remaining 40+ events I started in. During the following years I haven't been able to get those regular climbing workouts, and my broken field running form has detoriated. :-( Terje -- - "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching" |
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Thanks Terje. Perhaps I will have my best season ever..
I've noticed a substantial improvement in upper body strength this summer season, more so than the usual 2-3 days a week in the gym that I have done in the past. This new strength translates well into both skating and classic poling. Hiking uphill in the Sierra with a heavy pack for hours is alot more fun than the squat rack or leg press, though I hope I am not fooling myself. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terje Mathisen" To: "Multiple recipients of list NORDIC-SKI" Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 1:59 AM Subject: Cross training for nordic skiing SUSAN BURAK wrote: How about rock climbing and alpine mountain climbing for strength and endurance? I use these as a bi or tri monthly 2-4 day "workout". I believe rock climbing as strength training can indeed help: 3 years ago I was 44, which meant that I was the oldest in my age group (40-44) in orienteering. That winter I had worked out at an indoor climbing gym about twice a week, gradually getting closer to my old form (I used to climb up to 5.12 in Yosemite back in the 1980'ies). During the spring/summer/fall orienteering season, all that lower leg/ankle/foot strength training seemed to result in much better cross country running speed, with a very enjoyable bounce in my step. The result was my best season ever, winning the national and county championships in my age group, as well as more than half of the remaining 40+ events I started in. During the following years I haven't been able to get those regular climbing workouts, and my broken field running form has detoriated. :-( Terje -- - "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching" |
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