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"Alun Jenkins" wrote in message ... | | It's not compulsory in France, although you see signs telling people | they should have one as part of this year's safety campaign. Some ski | schools refuse to take kids without them (small independents mainly), | and as far as I know the ESF hasn't changed their position from it being | "highly advisable". | | Also if you use the carte neige insurance it will be void with no helmet | this year. Where did you see this information? I've had an annual carte neige for years, and that's the first I've head of such a clause. Pete www.skiclublesarcs.com |
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Heheheee....
Looks like I started something! that said, I'm bailing out now.....I'll join the rest of the lemmings and go (reluctantly) buy a couple of helmets :-( If you take logic to the ultimate conclusion, why not just ban cycling, skiing and all other such "dangerous" sports! Just think how many accidents will be prevented! We could all just partake using virtual headsets! Now wouldn't that be fun! Nanny-ism is just going too far. As of January, I can't even change my own 3-pin plugs at home now! "Steve Haigh" wrote in message ... PG wrote: "Steve Haigh" wrote in message ... | snip | | Enough! | | There's too much of this crap on uk.rec.cycling. snip Enough! If you don't want to talk about it, start a thread of your own about something else. It's a valid topic, don't read it if you're not interested. Those of us with kids should consider the implications of wearing helmets on the slopes, and some of us have studied the issue in considerable detail. Just trying to save this group fom the pointless arguments which plague other groups. It's got nothing to do with having kids (why shouldn't adults wear them?), or indeed wearing helmets at all, it has got everything to do with the group decending into a flame war of pointless drivel which this topic will lead to. To save you the wait here's the arguments that we'll see: Helmets work. No they don't. Yes they do. They make you too confident and you'll take more risks. So why not put spikes on steering wheel to stop drivers being over confident. etc etc (variations exist on this one, always nice to spot a new one once in a while). But you'd slow down if you didn't wear one. No I wouldn't Yes you would. Stats prove it. No they don't. I know someone who was wearing a helmet and it got caught on a t-bar and pulled their head clean off, so helmets are dangerous. He/She was an idiot. Blah Blah ... ... Eventually someone calls someone else a Nazi and then it starts getting all personal. Typically these threads extend to a couple if hundred posts and if you bothered to read them all you'd get to the end and realise you have learned a sum total of nothing about the topic in question. Just trying to save you the effort, because before you know it you'll have wasted hours of you life on this topic. The OP asked what the law was on kids wearing helmets in Europe, and already we've got references to childhood obesity and people citing single academic papers as total and complete proof of their own particlaur view. But you're right I don't have to read it and I'm not going to. I'll do what I do on the other group and just kill every thread in my reader that starts off this way. |
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"John Ricketts" wrote in message ... | | Nanny-ism is just going too far. As of January, I can't even change my own | 3-pin plugs at home now! ??! What's that all about? Back on the subject of helmets, my 12 year old watched a shot of Baxter on Ski Sunday in the slalom, and was disgusted that he wasn't wearing a helmet - ok it wasn't a speed discipline, but they really can travel... Pete |
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Where did you see this information? I've had an annual carte neige for years, and that's the first I've head of such a clause. Pete www.skiclublesarcs.com Hi Pete all around the cham area are blue cn posters (with the dog !) The wording reads "without your helment you are not insured" Mind you my poor french translation could be to blame. Our ESF instructor also said she had had to cancel some coures as the kids couldnt get helmets as the hire place had run out. One way or the other loath em or love em youre going to need lids for the kids .. A |
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David Mahon wrote:
In article , John Ricketts writes Nanny-ism is just going too far. As of January, I can't even change my own 3-pin plugs at home now! Can't you? Still see them on sale (together with all the kit you need to rewire your house if desired). Not sure what country they live in but the UK has just had Part P kick into action and the amount of bull**** that's being spread about it is unbeleivable. Certain electrical jobs around the home are now subject to restrictions but even the relevant authorities don't seem to know what's supposed to happen and how they're supposed to police them. Rewiring a plug is still allowed, replacing a socket is still allowed but other stuff like adding an extra socket must be done by a certified person (for that read "has paid their fees to a certifying body") or under a Building Control Notice (and with the requires fees being paid). -- James... www.jameshart.co.uk |
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On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:33:45 -0000, "Séan"
wrote: Lets be sensible for a moment..... The potential for serious injury, and I'm talking about to your childs brain, is greatly increased whilst skiing, unlike walking to the shops! Its not about 'litigtion' or what she might do to herself, its all the other idiots skiing on the edge of control and about to lose it at the next bump in the snow. We all know that it is folly to let your child ride a bike without a helmet for the same reason. Boy this stuff makes me mad! One of the most important things about skiing/snowboarding is being out in such a fantastic environment, and experiencing it to the full. Part of this is being aware of the dangers of the environment, too. Now, the last thing I want to do is put some glassfibre between me and that experience. And, as I know very well from riding and racing motorcycles, putting on a helmet will cause some risk-compensation behaviour. Far better to teach the kids that skiing is a potentially dangerous activity, and act accordingly. And - I really can't understand how generations of kids used to cycle to school without a helmet (me included), but now "we all know it is folly to let your child ride a bike without a helmet". I know no such thing. -- Champ |
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On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:23:40 +0100, "PG"
wrote: Back on the subject of helmets, my 12 year old watched a shot of Baxter on Ski Sunday in the slalom, and was disgusted that he wasn't wearing a helmet - ok it wasn't a speed discipline, but they really can travel... She was disgusted? That a grown mad could make his own judgement on what precautions to take for his own life? See, this is what happens when we insist that kids wear helmets.... -- Champ |
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David Mahon wrote:
In article , James Hart writes David Mahon wrote: In article , John Ricketts writes Nanny-ism is just going too far. As of January, I can't even change my own 3-pin plugs at home now! Can't you? Still see them on sale (together with all the kit you need to rewire your house if desired). Not sure what country they live in but the UK has just had Part P kick into action and the amount of bull**** that's being spread about it is unbeleivable. Certain electrical jobs around the home are now subject to restrictions but even the relevant authorities don't seem to know what's supposed to happen and how they're supposed to police them. Rewiring a plug is still allowed, replacing a socket is still allowed but other stuff like adding an extra socket must be done by a certified person (for that read "has paid their fees to a certifying body") or under a Building Control Notice (and with the requires fees being paid). Then someone ought to tell the DIY stores (this is link from B&Q) http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/templa...ontent=/bq_adv ice/common/howtos/fitxtrasockets/ Naughty website, just shows the confusion that's about at the moment though. -- James... www.jameshart.co.uk |
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"Champ" wrote in message ... | On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:23:40 +0100, "PG" | wrote: | | Back on the subject of helmets, my 12 year old watched a shot of Baxter | on Ski Sunday in the slalom, and was disgusted that he wasn't wearing a | helmet - ok it wasn't a speed discipline, but they really can travel... | | She was disgusted? That a grown mad could make his own judgement on | what precautions to take for his own life? See, this is what happens | when we insist that kids wear helmets.... She was disgusted with what she saw as the example she felt was being set, actually. A pretty mature position to hold for a youngster, certainly beats jumping to conclusions about the motives/thinking of others as you've just done! And the comfort factor in the slowest of the speed disciplines was the main motivator here, very little to do with judgment about the precautions to be taken. Pete |
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"Champ" wrote in message ... | On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:33:45 -0000, "Séan" | wrote: | | Lets be sensible for a moment..... | The potential for serious injury, and I'm talking about to your childs | brain, is greatly increased whilst skiing, unlike walking to the shops! | Its not about 'litigtion' or what she might do to herself, its all the | other idiots skiing on the edge of control and about to lose it at the next | bump in the snow. | | We all know that it is folly to let your child ride a bike without a helmet | for the same reason. | | Boy this stuff makes me mad! | | One of the most important things about skiing/snowboarding is being | out in such a fantastic environment, and experiencing it to the full. | Part of this is being aware of the dangers of the environment, too. | | Now, the last thing I want to do is put some glassfibre between me and | that experience. And, as I know very well from riding and racing | motorcycles, putting on a helmet will cause some risk-compensation | behaviour. Far better to teach the kids that skiing is a potentially | dangerous activity, and act accordingly. | | And - I really can't understand how generations of kids used to cycle | to school without a helmet (me included), but now "we all know it is | folly to let your child ride a bike without a helmet". I know no such | thing. Rip out all the safety belts and let's teach everyone to drive more carefully, shall we? LOL. Pete |
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