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Sven Golly wrote:
VtSkier wrote in : To lessen this effect, I'm a FIRM believer in active AFD devices. So far, only Marker and Tyrolia (and maybe Atomic) have devices that I feel comfortable with. Every body else cheaps out with teflon devices which can accumulate dirt and not work as advertised, but plenty good enough for newish alpine boots. Active AFD's are much better than static ones. Atomic bindings have sort of an active AFD as well. FWIW, Dynafit AT bindings release rotating from the ball of the foot are sort of suspended by the pivot lugs so an AFD isn't as important. They're sure nice and light. When I've dropped down a little tree lined chute onto the top of Ovation headwall on EasternFirm(tm) with little nubbins of brush sticking up through, I like the ruggedness of my Fritchie FreeRides. The Dynafits always seemed a little fragile. Then I watched some videos of AT racers in the Alps using Dynafit bindings. |
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Sven Golly wrote:
"Scott Abraham" wrote in : Salomon has no replacable parts? Up until maybe three years ago, most Salomon boots didn't have replaceable sole pads. For 2005/6, almost all come with inserts however a couple of their shop race models and many of the entry level models still don't. My three year old XScream 9.0 don't have replaceable sole pads. Nice they have waked up. My 2 yo XWave 10's don't have them either. |
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VtSkier wrote:
Sven Golly wrote: "Scott Abraham" wrote in : Salomon has no replacable parts? Up until maybe three years ago, most Salomon boots didn't have replaceable sole pads. For 2005/6, almost all come with inserts however a couple of their shop race models and many of the entry level models still don't. My three year old XScream 9.0 don't have replaceable sole pads. Nice they have waked up. My 2 yo XWave 10's don't have them either. My x-Wave 9s didn't have them either. (1st generation x-waves). I don't imagine I'll ever buy salomon boots again. ant |
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Stephen B. wrote:
"VtSkier" wrote SNIP This suggests that boot sole *bottom* wear may not be as critical as sometimes suggested. A release check will determine the limits. Now I wear AT boots with vibram soles a lot because I have cause to get out of my skis and walk around a lot during the course of a "working" ski day. The vibram sole may be the worst thing to put between your leg and your binding. Maybe even worse than a severely worn alpine boot sole. To lessen this effect, I'm a FIRM believer in active AFD devices. So far, only Marker and Tyrolia (and maybe Atomic) have devices that I feel comfortable with. Every body else cheaps out with teflon devices which can accumulate dirt and not work as advertised, but plenty good enough for newish alpine boots. SNIP VT, Have you really seen Teflon strips collect dirt and grime so they stop working? Wouldn't this same dirt and grime cause more havoc in the active AFD devices? I am sure you have heard of the KISS principle, the Teflon sounds allot simpler to me. I admit I have not paid attention to active AFD devices so I would be very interested in your reasoning, and description of them. Stephen B. Actually I haven't seen the dirt/grime collect on any AFD. What I have seen is the same dirt/grime collect on the sole of the boot. The Marker active AFD is pretty much a bullet-proof device and doesn't seem to be affected by much of anything. The rolling rubber band of the Tyrolia system could conceivably get grit in it in a way that may affect its function. And, btw, I didn't say "stop working". That's an exaggeration of the situation. In fact, in a good old yard sale type of a high-speed crash you probably wouldn't even know if your AFD's were dirty or not. The situation where there might be a problem would be in a slow-speed twisting fall which might be complicated by your weight being forward and putting extra weight on you AFD. This is a knee- damaging type of fall. One of the things Salomon has tried to do for this type of fall is to make an AFD that when it senses extra weight, the pressure needed to release the toe becomes less. Or so we are told. |
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Sven Golly wrote:
"Stephen B." wrote in k.net: Have you really seen Teflon strips collect dirt and grime so they stop working? Wouldn't this same dirt and grime cause more havoc in the active AFD devices? I am sure you have heard of the KISS principle, the Teflon sounds allot simpler to me. It's simpler but not to any big advantage since "active" AFD's are pretty simple themselves. They use bearings or rollers to allow the boot to move sideways even with heavy downward pressure. Teflon pads produce a fair amount of friction when the downward pressure goes up. Even with dirt/grime in the active AFD, the boot will move more easily than any Teflon pad. OBRetroSki: One of the first active AFD's was the old Lipe Slider circa early 70's. Basically it was a synthetic rubber band wrapped around a small metal casting with some silcon grease. They never failed unless the band broke which was pretty rare. I'm even more retro than that (how retro are you?). The original Marker Simplex toe had a sheet of aluminum (ok aluminium) in back of the toe which was fastened with a single screw at the back of the sheet and allowed to "float" up near the toe. The purpose of this was to move laterally when the boot sole moved in relation to the toe piece to keep friction from hindering the first quarter inch of release function. Patrollers in the day hated Markers and were required to have release bindings. They were scared to death of coming out with a sled behind. Some tightened the adjustment screw down really really hard. A heavy guy I knew went to far as to replace the spring with a solid steel rod against the ball-bearing of the release mechanism. |
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ant wrote:
VtSkier wrote: Ah yes, sole wear. A number of boots have replaceable parts or complete toe and heel pieces. Many of the SureFoot boots have this feature of complete toe/heel replacement. A few other brands have a replaceable wear plate. Some, most notably Salomon, have no replaceable parts. Jeez I hope my Atomics soles are replaceable, as they are completely rooted. I have had 2 full sesaons on them; in Oz the walk to/from the locker room was mainly over snow, in the US it was a longish hike across the village. in my last couple of weeks, I grabbed the boots off the boot dryer by their heels, and the black parts moved! They are screwed on so I'm assuming they are replaceable. I never got to test my bindings' release capabilities this season, somewhat to my shame. ant If you remember your Mt.Snow days, release function check is an ASC policy requirement. I *know* my AT boots won't check properly so I get checks done with alpine gear, submit the paperwork and merrily ski on what I want to ski on. |
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VtSkier wrote:
Patrollers in the day hated Markers and were required to have release bindings. They were scared to death of coming out with a sled behind. Some tightened the adjustment screw down really really hard. A heavy guy I knew went to far as to replace the spring with a solid steel rod against the ball-bearing of the release mechanism. People keep saying Markers have stopped doing what they "used" to do so I let a mate put some on the last pair of stocklis I got. har. They spat me out 2nd time I rode them. I don't know what the problem is, I assume I footsteer too much, but in the US, psia trainers say I tend to park and ride. Either way, Markers are poison, turn and fly (face first). ant |
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I just looked at my Salomon 1080's and they have replaceable sol pieces .
Mine aren't too worn but I guess i'll replace them soon . These are only my 3rd pair of boots but I couldn't be happier with the comfort of these boots .. They always feel comfortable , never gave me an ounce of foot pain anywhere . I can ski in them all day without having to loosen the buckles to rest my feet . Your mileage may vary Ron Salomon has no replacable parts? Up until maybe three years ago, most Salomon boots didn't have replaceable sole pads. For 2005/6, almost all come with inserts however a couple of their shop race models and many of the entry level models still don't. My three year old XScream 9.0 don't have replaceable sole pads. Nice they have waked up. My 2 yo XWave 10's don't have them either. My x-Wave 9s didn't have them either. (1st generation x-waves). I don't imagine I'll ever buy salomon boots again. ant |
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Ron - NY wrote:
I just looked at my Salomon 1080's and they have replaceable sol pieces . Mine aren't too worn but I guess i'll replace them soon . These are only my 3rd pair of boots but I couldn't be happier with the comfort of these boots . They always feel comfortable , never gave me an ounce of foot pain anywhere . I can ski in them all day without having to loosen the buckles to rest my feet . Your mileage may vary Ron I wouldn't replace them out of hand. I'd have the shop measure the amount of wear when doing a release check, and if the wear is in parameters, don't replace until they begin to show "excessive" wear. Also, if you walk a lot in your boots consider investing in a pair of "cat tracks". Your shop will know the name. Salomon has no replacable parts? Up until maybe three years ago, most Salomon boots didn't have replaceable sole pads. For 2005/6, almost all come with inserts however a couple of their shop race models and many of the entry level models still don't. My three year old XScream 9.0 don't have replaceable sole pads. Nice they have waked up. My 2 yo XWave 10's don't have them either. My x-Wave 9s didn't have them either. (1st generation x-waves). I don't imagine I'll ever buy salomon boots again. ant |
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Ron - NY wrote: I just looked at my Salomon 1080's and they have replaceable sol pieces . Mine aren't too worn but I guess i'll replace them soon . These are only my 3rd pair of boots but I couldn't be happier with the comfort of these boots . They always feel comfortable , never gave me an ounce of foot pain anywhere . I can ski in them all day without having to loosen the buckles to rest my feet . Your mileage may vary Ron I wouldn't replace them out of hand. I'd have the shop measure the amount of wear when doing a release check, and if the wear is in parameters, don't replace until they begin to show "excessive" wear. Also, if you walk a lot in your boots consider investing in a pair of "cat tracks". Your shop will know the name. Yep , I've heard of those . I always ski midweek so I guess another fringe benefit is closer parking . Even though I love my boots I might consider replacing them by the time those heel pieces wear out , but then again maybe not . But this leads me to thinking about something else , what the longest ( or maybe I should say oldest ) you kept a pair of boots ? I don't mean in the closet , I mean still using ? Ron |
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