Is skiing reverse camber-rocker tips skis cheating?

On Oct 25, 10:33 am, Ted Waldron wrote:
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Dave Cartman wrote:

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snowbender wrote:

and how about my claim that teleboarding is a new way to ski to
powder?

You are a netkook.

I don't know about Itchy. One moment he can be coherent, than
another he goes back to his quixotic dogma. However, he probably fills
all the requirements to be labelled a netkook.

You still have a good standing so far, don't join the gappers,
shameless is not a good place to be in.

snowbender

On Oct 24, 7:30 pm, lal_truckee wrote:

When snowbender joined Vtskier and me for a freshie day at Alpine, he
was using pretty wide boards. In some soft snow conditions wide enough
boards can float using alternate weighting. While I didn't study his
technique (busy leading around the home court) snowbender was doing
pretty good in the Sierra Soft (which isn't however exactly light powder.)

Actually, I would use "surfing" technique to ski powder when powder is
deep enough. Pointing the tips straight down is called "hang ten,"
fun.

Thanks for speaking out,
snowbender

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snowbender wrote:

On Oct 24, 5:02 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
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snowbender wrote:
On Oct 24, 12:36 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
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snowbender wrote:
On Oct 23, 5:43 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
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snowbender wrote:

Say it again what the "fact" is now, after your "telling the truth"
that "A lot of that is quite certainly powder skiing."

Yes, Chai-tea. An entirely different clip presented later does show
powder skiing.

It doesn't make the clips presented earlier any different.

Oh yeah, now you've specified your "standard," let's try the "fact" of
the first clip again, @:48 onward,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diKD08dqj0I

That wasn't the first clip.

This was:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-HnaOGRM1Y

And there is no powder skiing in it.

That clip was to introducing the "teleboarding," not necessarily
"teleboarding in powder," and the previous clip was subsequently used
to show how teleboarding "works in powder" before you jumped in.
Regardless, what's the "fact" of the "teleboarding works in powder"
now?

Right before that clip, you said:

"Nevertheless, new way for powder skiing, try teleboarding,"

So your clip should have contained powder skiing. And for a few posts,
you tried to insist it did.


Maybe, but I'll say questionable; nevertheless, what's the different
in "techniques" to ski them? Let's see your example of what powder
skiing is?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKLWnGrrGAU

From 00:48 to 1:45 is definitely real powder skiing.

Good powder, we don't have much of those kind of snow around here;
nevertheless, I think your definition of powder skiing is too narrow.
Is that real [untracked] powder makes the easiest snow medium to ski
with?

If you're asking if untracked powder is the easiest snow condition in
which to ski...

...the answer is no.

To your skills, maybe, care to show how you powder skiing?

Not to anyone's skills, Chai-Tea.


Say it again what the "truth" is now, after "You were asked to show
it
working in powder and you didn't." But I did.

No. You didn't.

You have now, but you hadn't when that was first said.

Oh yeah, now you've specified your "standard," let's try the "fact" of
the first clip, @:48 onward,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diKD08dqj0I"

and how about my claim that teleboarding is a new way to ski to
powder?

Since even in that clip, the snow never gets over his knees, it's pretty
clear that it is at the most about 14 - 16" deep.

Not really powder.

Whatever; I think your definition of "powder" is very narrow, what
depth your powder skiing begins, and why?

Powder skiing begins when your skis never contact the hard base below.


Ok, Mr. shameless LOL.

LOL

So shameless it goes.

snowbender

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

In article
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snowbender wrote:

On Oct 24, 5:04 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
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snowbender wrote:
On Oct 24, 12:42 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
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snowbender wrote:
On Oct 24, 12:26 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
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snowbender wrote:

I don't see the "technique" differences in skiing above 6 inches
of
fresh snow.

In 6 inches of snow, your skis end up in contact with the firm
base. In
actual powder conditions the snow beneath the skis is still soft.

Maybe in BC, here in the Sierra Nevada mountains 4 inches will cover
the firm base, and you won't feel the base on 6 inches. Then, again,
does that 2 inches of snow cover make different skiing?

1. You're simply lying or deluded if you think that you don't contact
the firm base in only 4 inches of loose snow.

You may scrape the bottom "occasionally" on 4" of fresh snow, but not
on 6", and definitely not on 10", so your "6 - 10 inches of loose snow
do not make powder skiing" is only your own bull****.

You bottom out continuously in 6" of snow light enough to be powder
skiing if it's deeper.

Not in sierra cement powder (if such term is valid), nevertheless,
"normal" powder skiing techniques are still applicable.

Then it's not powder.


2. The primary difference is that on a firm base you can easily recover
from occasional moments when your weight is not even distributed on
both
feet. Get your weight on one foot for even a moment in real powder and
you're going down.

That maybe your problem, but not mine,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W6rrz1Tw4k

Real [untracked] powder is supposed to be the most easy snow medium to
ski with, you should be able to hold on/balance it with one foot.

Nope. And that isn't powder. The fact that your depth in the snow
doesn't change with the phase of the turn you're in demonstrates that
you're skiing on the compacted snow beneath the loose snow.

No, Flatboarding(tm)/line-skiing, can turn any time, has no "turn
phase," so your little knowledge wouldn't apply.

I don't care what you call it, Chai-Tea. There is a time at the end of
the turn when the force you exert on the snow rises to a maximum. That
happens at the end of the turn when the forces of gravity and the force
of the turn are most opposed. At the beginning of the next turn, the
force of gravity is most aligned with the force necessary to turn, so
the force you exert on the snow is minimized.

Do that in deep soft snow and you will sink then rise, then sink then
rise...

....in sync with the phase of the turn.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

In article
,
snowbender wrote:

On Oct 24, 3:39 pm, downhill wrote:
snowfake wrote:

Real [untracked] powder is supposed to be the most easy snow medium to
ski with, you should be able to hold on/balance it with one foot.

Every professional skier that I have talked to says you move your skis
in parallel in powder. That skiing with just one foot weighted leads to
crashes.
I ski on one foot and transfer weight between them it does not work in
powder, you will crash.

I think we were talking about balance/recovery on one foot [after a
mishap] in powder skiing, not the full-blown powder skiing technique.

I would like somebody else on this list to agree with you that you can
use two skis and make one lighter just using one ski than the other in
powder and not crash.

Using two skis as one "board" was one characteristics of
Flatboarding(tm), and I didn't crash,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGIuQcR_Q4k

You nearly lost your balance while you were just traversing (8 seconds
in).

And that isn't powder skiing. When you can hear the cameraman's skis
scraping the hard base beneath, and when you can see your ankles all the
time (pretty much), it's just not powder skiing.


Next you are going to claim that you can run in powder with tips pointed
down.

Why? When LAL vouched my skiing, you didn't acknowledge and run away,

He said you weren't horrible.

and yet keep coming back to make such untruthful illegitimate retarded
inference; what's your point?

snowbender

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

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,
snowbender wrote:

On Oct 24, 7:30 pm, lal_truckee wrote:

When snowbender joined Vtskier and me for a freshie day at Alpine, he
was using pretty wide boards. In some soft snow conditions wide enough
boards can float using alternate weighting. While I didn't study his
technique (busy leading around the home court) snowbender was doing
pretty good in the Sierra Soft (which isn't however exactly light powder.)

Actually, I would use "surfing" technique to ski powder when powder is
deep enough. Pointing the tips straight down is called "hang ten,"
fun.

Thanks for speaking out,
snowbender

He said you were doing "pretty good" in what wasn't exactly powder.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

On Oct 25, 10:33*am, Ted Waldron wrote:
In article ,
*Dave Cartman wrote:

In article
,
*snowbender wrote:

and how about my claim that teleboarding is a new way to ski to
powder?

You are a netkook.

* I don't know about Itchy. *One moment he can be coherent, *than
another he goes back to his quixotic dogma. *However, he probably fills
all the requirements to be labelled a netkook.

I sure as hell know about YOU, Ted. You weren't very coherent when
you committed perjury, then kept babbling like an insane, stoned
dumb**** when asked a simple question. You remember, don't you?
Right. "Show the post, Ted."
You committed felony perjury over a stupid newsgroup, whining about
being threatened when you never were. That fills the requirement to
be labelled a netkook. And a dickless coward, and a criminal, and a
major league ppppppuuuuuuusssssssyyyyyy.

On Oct 25, 11:49*am, snowbender
wrote:
On Oct 25, 8:02 am, Dave Cartman wrote:

In article
,

*snowbender wrote:
and how about my claim that teleboarding is a new way to ski to
powder?

You are a netkook.

Talking about netkookery, think I'll just let this post hang itself.

Given today RSA's cooperative atmosphere, shame on you, you netkooks.

There is a cooperative atmosphere? When freaks are sockpuppeting my
brother and falsely accusing me of being a child molester?
I guess you are right. They cooperate in their lies, for damn sure.

On Oct 25, 1:37*pm, Alan Baker wrote:
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*snowbender wrote:
On Oct 24, 5:02 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
In article
,
*snowbender wrote:
On Oct 24, 12:36 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
In article
,
*snowbender wrote:
On Oct 23, 5:43 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
In article
,
*snowbender wrote:

Say it again what the "fact" is now, after your "telling the truth"
that "A lot of that is quite certainly powder skiing."

Yes, Chai-tea. An entirely different clip presented later does show
powder skiing.

It doesn't make the clips presented earlier any different.

Oh yeah, now you've specified your "standard," let's try the "fact" of
the first clip again, @:48 onward,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diKD08dqj0I

That wasn't the first clip.

This was:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-HnaOGRM1Y

And there is no powder skiing in it.

That clip was to introducing the "teleboarding," not necessarily
"teleboarding in powder," and the previous clip was subsequently used
to show how teleboarding "works in powder" before you jumped in.
Regardless, what's the "fact" of the "teleboarding works in powder"
now?

Right before that clip, you said:

"Nevertheless, new way for powder skiing, try teleboarding,"

So your clip should have contained powder skiing. And for a few posts,
you tried to insist it did.







Maybe, but I'll say questionable; nevertheless, what's the different
in "techniques" to ski them? Let's see your example of what powder
skiing is?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKLWnGrrGAU

From 00:48 to 1:45 is definitely real powder skiing.

Good powder, we don't have much of those kind of snow around here;
nevertheless, I think your definition of powder skiing is too narrow.
Is that real [untracked] powder makes the easiest snow medium to ski
with?

If you're asking if untracked powder is the easiest snow condition in
which to ski...

...the answer is no.

To your skills, maybe, care to show how you powder skiing?

Not to anyone's skills, Chai-Tea.







Say it again what the "truth" is now, after "You were asked to show
it
working in powder and you didn't." But I did.

No. You didn't.

You have now, but you hadn't when that was first said.

Oh yeah, now you've specified your "standard," let's try the "fact" of
the first clip, @:48 onward,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diKD08dqj0I"

and how about my claim that teleboarding is a new way to ski to
powder?

Since even in that clip, the snow never gets over his knees, it's pretty
clear that it is at the most about 14 - 16" deep.

Not really powder.

Whatever; I think your definition of "powder" is very narrow, what
depth your powder skiing begins, and why?

Powder skiing begins when your skis never contact the hard base below.

I would say that definition fits the most desired and fully blown
"powder skiing". I don't think that 1 inch of light snow on hardpack
or groom constitutes powder skiing. And what itchie showed in that
rediculous clip was NOT powder skiing. But at some point there is a
place where 4-5" of snow on top of crud or soft groom make it
necessary to drop the two footed, independant pressure technique and
move to the both skis a a single platform mode. At that point I think
one could start to call it powder skiing.

One of the funniest things I can listen to is peoples definitions
after a day of skiing. The guy that talks "waist deep" because on one
turn the ankle deep blew up to his waist!

But I'd say that it is still powder skiing when you are in knee deep
and still bottoming out. That happens quite a bit here. And you still
have to ski both skis as one 85% of the time in that stuff. If you
don't, the one you apply weight to will turn and the one you don't,
won't. And it that case you reach one of the trueisms of skiing. The
problem is not crossing your tips..........it's failure to uncross
them!

On Oct 25, 9:13*am, Evojeesus wrote:
On Oct 25, 4:53*pm, pigo wrote:

On Oct 25, 7:18*am, Evojeesus wrote:
On Oct 21, 5:09*pm, pigo wrote:
It's true that off-piste is getting more crowded due to these new
equipment - the trend already started with fat skis years and years
ago. Nevertheless, the new gear also enables advanced experts to ski
better.
I don't see it.

You don't? Haven't you seen any ski-films lately?? The pros ride much
steeper stuff, go faster and one can see that they "smear" their turns
when necessary. I'm pretty certain the new equipment is instrumental
in making this possible.

I don't see much steeper stuff. But I only see those films when I'm in
a bar and it can't be helped. I much prefered to be out there doing it
when I was young and able than to watch. But straight down is straight
down no matter what you wear.

Going fast is the easy part. Turns are hard. Timing is hard. Jump
turns are hard. That "smear" turn is a bore AFAIAK. A snowboard
abortion that has lead to the death of real "crud skiing".

Yes. The new equipment has made it possible. One of the problems with
the new equipment.

I think it makes advanced look like experts maybe.

Yes, and I think it's making some experts to super-experts

I guess that's in your definitions.