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Klolsters now (was Flying metal)
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:17:59 GMT, Pip Luscher
wrote: On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:01:49 +0000, Pete Fisher wrote: In communiqué , Pip Luscher cast forth these pearls of wisdom On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:04:43 +0000, Pete Fisher wrote: I have only tried modern carvers (170s) at the Tamworth Snow Dome. TBF the Dynastar 185s are probably a tad long for me anyway but they were a bargain second hand from Snow and Rock 20 years ago. How tall & heavy are you? I still use my 185cm Pocket Rockets and they're certainly not too long for me, but then I'm an aggressive, 6'2" 13-stoner. Some of the Freeride skis are only made in that length or longer. I bought new skis last year, the 1080 foil, and went even shorter, at 175cm. These are just so agile it's amazing. Pip may remember me skiing moguls on my wife's 165cm ones last year in Alpe d'Huez. I last used them in 2004 at Mont Dore (Espace Sancy). They were indeed hard work for rapid direction changes, but they were invigoratingly fast where you could schuss a bit. Longer != faster. The only relationship between speed and length is that in the old days one needed a massively long ski to retain high-speed stability. Nowadays, with much more rigid construction, the shorter skis can offer at least as much control as the old long ones. Actually, now that you mention it, my old skis were more stable in a straight line (hardly surprising) Indeed. The key to gliding on shaped skis is to never put them straight. If you're always very slightly on one edge or another they'll not give that unstable feeling. and they always had a good glide on shallow runs. More down to servicing than anything else, although clearly the overall surface area is also a factor and the older skis would be much narrower. -- Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom) Ski Club of Great Britain - http://www.skiclub.co.uk All opinions expressed are personal and in no way represent those of the Ski Club. |
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Klolsters now (was Flying metal)
In communiqué , Ace
cast forth these pearls of wisdom On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:17:59 GMT, Pip Luscher wrote: On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:01:49 +0000, Pete Fisher wrote: In communiqué , Pip Luscher cast forth these pearls of wisdom On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:04:43 +0000, Pete Fisher wrote: I have only tried modern carvers (170s) at the Tamworth Snow Dome. TBF the Dynastar 185s are probably a tad long for me anyway but they were a bargain second hand from Snow and Rock 20 years ago. How tall & heavy are you? I still use my 185cm Pocket Rockets and they're certainly not too long for me, but then I'm an aggressive, 6'2" 13-stoner. Some of the Freeride skis are only made in that length or longer. Who me or Pip? I am 5'6" 70 Kilos (CBA to convert) and didn't learn to ski until I was 40. The slightly arthritic hips mean I am hardly an aggressive skier. Longer != faster. The only relationship between speed and length is that in the old days one needed a massively long ski to retain high-speed stability. Nowadays, with much more rigid construction, the shorter skis can offer at least as much control as the old long ones. There you are then. I'm living in the past as always. I must try some modern skis on a run longer than the Snow Dome. -- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pete Fisher at Home: | | Voxan Roadster Gilera Nordwest Yamaha WR250Z | | Gilera GFR Moto Morini 2C/375 | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ |
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Klolsters now (was Flying metal)
Pip Luscher wrote in
: Actually, now that you mention it, my old skis were more stable in a straight line (hardly surprising) and they always had a good glide on shallow runs. I still have a pair of Rossi GX, a pair of Salomon 9100 Equipe, and two pairs of K2 MSL, all around 200cm. Very occasionally I take one of them out, and I'm always amazed first that I can actually still ski on them, even in difficult snow, but more particularly how much more comfortable they are (especially the MSLs) to go really fast on. Modern skis (I have Salomon X-Screams and Atomic R9s, neither of which are even that modern) are far less effort, though! -- Jeremy |
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Klolsters now (was Flying metal)
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:05:50 GMT, Pip Luscher
wrote: Indeed. The key to gliding on shaped skis is to never put them straight. If you're always very slightly on one edge or another they'll not give that unstable feeling. Aha. Just like a snowboard, then. Just what I was thinking :-) -- Champ ZX10R GPz750turbo |
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Klolsters now (was Flying metal)
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:48:25 +0100, Ace wrote:
How tall & heavy are you? I still use my 185cm Pocket Rockets and they're certainly not too long for me, but then I'm an aggressive, 6'2" 13-stoner. Lightweight! I bought new skis last year, the 1080 foil, and went even shorter, at 175cm. These are just so agile it's amazing. Pip may remember me skiing moguls on my wife's 165cm ones last year in Alpe d'Huez. I remember you swapping them, but I can't remember where we went. Indeed. The key to gliding on shaped skis is to never put them straight. If you're always very slightly on one edge or another they'll not give that unstable feeling. Aha. Just like a snowboard, then. -- -Pip |
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Klolsters now (was Flying metal)
Champ wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:05:50 GMT, Pip Luscher wrote: Indeed. The key to gliding on shaped skis is to never put them straight. If you're always very slightly on one edge or another they'll not give that unstable feeling. Aha. Just like a snowboard, then. Just what I was thinking :-) x10! ouch -- Hog '96 *******12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400 |
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Klolsters now (was Flying metal)
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:05:50 GMT, Pip Luscher
allegedly wrote: Indeed. The key to gliding on shaped skis is to never put them straight. If you're always very slightly on one edge or another they'll not give that unstable feeling. Aha. Just like a snowboard, then. Only on icy sections. Anything less than that, I run my board flat when I'm trying to maximise speed and get along flat sections. |
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Klolsters now (was Flying metal)
On 25 Jan 2007 16:04:09 GMT, Switters wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:05:50 GMT, Pip Luscher allegedly wrote: Indeed. The key to gliding on shaped skis is to never put them straight. If you're always very slightly on one edge or another they'll not give that unstable feeling. Aha. Just like a snowboard, then. Only on icy sections. Anything less than that, I run my board flat when I'm trying to maximise speed and get along flat sections. Oh sure. But you better make sure you keep your weight forward :-) -- Champ ZX10R GPz750turbo |
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Klolsters now (was Flying metal)
"Switters" wrote in message
... On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:05:50 GMT, Pip Luscher allegedly wrote: Indeed. The key to gliding on shaped skis is to never put them straight. If you're always very slightly on one edge or another they'll not give that unstable feeling. Aha. Just like a snowboard, then. Only on icy sections. Anything less than that, I run my board flat when I'm trying to maximise speed and get along flat sections. That's what I have trouble with. |
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Klolsters now (was Flying metal)
On 25 Jan 2007 16:04:09 GMT, Switters wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:05:50 GMT, Pip Luscher allegedly wrote: Indeed. The key to gliding on shaped skis is to never put them straight. If you're always very slightly on one edge or another they'll not give that unstable feeling. Aha. Just like a snowboard, then. Only on icy sections. Anything less than that, I run my board flat when I'm trying to maximise speed and get along flat sections. Well, many of the flat bits of packed snow I've been on have had lots of parallel ridges from everyone schussing along them, and the board has felt terribly twitchy. As Champ says, I just keep my weight well forward and though the board may be wobbling and twitching around, it will kick itself straight if I do let it get sideways a bit. -- -Pip |
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