Distance of the 3 Vallees Route

(Adrian D. Shaw) wrote in
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Yn erthygl ,
sgrifennodd Robert Swindells :
I haven't bought one for years either, but I can remember the Avoriaz
wall usually being on the list along with the run from the top of Mont
Fort in Verbier. I think I have seen Tortin suggested as well.

You mean the "Swiss Wall" down the Swiss side from the top of Avoriaz?
I've skied that - albeit 11 years ago - and I have to say I thought
Titlis was steeper.

Adrian

I haven't skied in Engelberg so I can't compare. Le Mur in
Avoriaz/Chavanette is steep, but it's so wide you know you can always just
ski to the side and stop without any problems. It's also a large difference
between where it's steepest and most bumpy, and at the left side (seen from
the top) where there are hardly any moguls and it's less steep.

/Tommy P.

Tommy Petersson wrote:

But perhaps we could at least list some "famous" black runs?

ok, here are some measurments I've made

la face - Val d'Isere - steepest section 30 degrees. (measured recently
with a clinometer)

1st 50 meters of the tunnel at l'Alpe d'Huez is 35 degrees

sous le télé, courchevel: 35 degrees over the first 110 meters

David Off wrote in
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Tommy Petersson wrote:

But perhaps we could at least list some "famous" black runs?

ok, here are some measurments I've made

la face - Val d'Isere - steepest section 30 degrees. (measured recently
with a clinometer)

1st 50 meters of the tunnel at l'Alpe d'Huez is 35 degrees

sous le télé, courchevel: 35 degrees over the first 110 meters


Thanks, these figures sounds more believable than most out there. Even
though La Face, right after that "bailing out transport" crosses the piste,
*feels* steeper than that...

The steepest piste in Sweden is around 45 degrees. For 10 meters. That
piste is not at all steep if you measure from top to bottom - 23 degrees I
believe.

The new start of the downhill in S:t Moritz *has* to be very steep, though.
The camera can't lie *that* much? ;-)

/Tommy P.

Tommy Petersson wrote:
David Off wrote in
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Tommy Petersson wrote:

But perhaps we could at least list some "famous" black runs?

ok, here are some measurments I've made

la face - Val d'Isere - steepest section 30 degrees. (measured
recently with a clinometer)

1st 50 meters of the tunnel at l'Alpe d'Huez is 35 degrees

sous le télé, courchevel: 35 degrees over the first 110 meters


Thanks, these figures sounds more believable than most out there. Even
though La Face, right after that "bailing out transport" crosses the
piste, *feels* steeper than that...

The steepest piste in Sweden is around 45 degrees. For 10 meters. That
piste is not at all steep if you measure from top to bottom - 23
degrees I believe.

The new start of the downhill in S:t Moritz *has* to be very steep,
though. The camera can't lie *that* much? ;-)

When I went to Soll earlier this year I took my camcorder with me and took a
small remote lens for it which was mounted on a headband. It looks fabulous
on the TV, everyone in our group was well chuffed to be able to show the
results to the rest of their friends. One day however the lens slipped round
a bit and as a result the horizon was sitting at about 30 degrees, this
looks great on the telly for us as we end up skiing down what looks like a
near vertical slope
One of these http://www.rfconcepts.co.uk/helmet_cameras.htm for those that
are interested.

--
James...
www.jameshart.co.uk

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:24:19 +0000, funkraum
wrote:

snip

I suppose if I was conducting some friends around a resort and wished
to make certain of not taking a wrong turning, then a GPS system might
be useful.

It's what we do, and I can't even beging to imagine the ridicule that
would be (rightly) directed at us if a Ski Club rep felt the need for
a GPS to get round on-piste.

I have a seldom-used GPS which was bought mainly for sailing[1] and
cycling. For the latter it's very useful as a constantly moving,
adjustable-scale map, removing the need to change and refold paper
ones, as well as being easier to mount.


[1] Even then, I felt it was cheating, as I was taught how to navigate
properly 25+ years ago.
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All opinions expressed are personal and in no way represent those of the Ski Club.

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:52:47 +0100, David Off
wrote:

Tommy Petersson wrote:

But perhaps we could at least list some "famous" black runs?

ok, here are some measurments I've made

la face - Val d'Isere - steepest section 30 degrees. (measured recently
with a clinometer)

1st 50 meters of the tunnel at l'Alpe d'Huez is 35 degrees

sous le télé, courchevel: 35 degrees over the first 110 meters

And a couple of mine:-

First steep pitch of 'Aigle' at Flaine/Samoens (as previously
mentioned) - 42 deg.

Top part of 'Grande Pente' in La Plagne - 43 deg, as measured this
week. I'm fairly sure that would be the steepest of the blacks there.

--
Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom)
Ski Club of Great Britain - http://www.skiclub.co.uk
All opinions expressed are personal and in no way represent those of the Ski Club.

The new start of the downhill in S:t Moritz *has* to be very steep,
though.
The camera can't lie *that* much? ;-)

0-130+ in 7 seconds!

--
Neil

On 22 Feb 2004 08:46:15 GMT, Tommy Petersson wrote:


The new start of the downhill in S:t Moritz *has* to be very steep, though.
The camera can't lie *that* much? ;-)


I don't know.

Watching the skiing on 4 coverage of St Anton, the camera angles as
they were going into the Icefalle made that look almost vertical - 80
degrees plus. Which I'm sure it isn't.

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Alex Heney wrote in
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On 22 Feb 2004 08:46:15 GMT, Tommy Petersson wrote:


The new start of the downhill in S:t Moritz *has* to be very steep,
though. The camera can't lie *that* much? ;-)


I don't know.

Watching the skiing on 4 coverage of St Anton, the camera angles as
they were going into the Icefalle made that look almost vertical - 80
degrees plus. Which I'm sure it isn't.

Where's Icefalle?

/Tommy P.

Alex Heney wrote:
On 22 Feb 2004 08:46:15 GMT, Tommy Petersson wrote:


The new start of the downhill in S:t Moritz *has* to be very steep,
though. The camera can't lie *that* much? ;-)


I don't know.

Watching the skiing on 4 coverage of St Anton, the camera angles as
they were going into the Icefalle made that look almost vertical - 80
degrees plus. Which I'm sure it isn't.

Look at the trees though, they deliberately tilt the camera as they pan to
make it look worse than it is.

--
James...
www.jameshart.co.uk