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Old February 23rd 07, 02:52 AM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
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Ok, here's a sciency query for y'all.

I get to my motel with plenty of beer. I've got Sierra Nevada Pale
Ale, Sierra Nevada Wheat and O'Dell's 5 Barrel Pale Ale. The mini
fridge isn't quite chilly enough so I ratchet the thermostat down a
bit then load in the bottles, filling up each available space in turn
but rotating the different flavors so that I have ready access to
whatever suits my momentary fancy. The next evening when I return
"home" from skiing I select a wheat beer and it's quite frosty. Next
up is a SNPA, of course it's mighty chilly as well. When I get to the
O'Dell's it instantly freezes as soon as I open it. This remains the
case for each O'Dell's no matter what part of the fridge it came from,
but is never the case for the other two brews no matter what part of
the fridge they were chilling in.

Can anyone explain this?

Chris

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Old February 23rd 07, 02:57 AM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
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On Feb 22, 7:52 pm, "bumpfreaq" wrote:
Ok, here's a sciency query for y'all.

I get to my motel with plenty of beer. I've got Sierra Nevada Pale
Ale, Sierra Nevada Wheat and O'Dell's 5 Barrel Pale Ale. The mini
fridge isn't quite chilly enough so I ratchet the thermostat down a
bit then load in the bottles, filling up each available space in turn
but rotating the different flavors so that I have ready access to
whatever suits my momentary fancy. The next evening when I return
"home" from skiing I select a wheat beer and it's quite frosty. Next
up is a SNPA, of course it's mighty chilly as well. When I get to the
O'Dell's it instantly freezes as soon as I open it. This remains the
case for each O'Dell's no matter what part of the fridge it came from,
but is never the case for the other two brews no matter what part of
the fridge they were chilling in.

Can anyone explain this?

Chris


Any significant difference in alcohol content ?

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Old February 23rd 07, 03:24 AM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
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On Feb 22, 9:57 pm, "Yabahoobs" wrote:
On Feb 22, 7:52 pm, "bumpfreaq" wrote:



Ok, here's a sciency query for y'all.


I get to my motel with plenty of beer. I've got Sierra Nevada Pale
Ale, Sierra Nevada Wheat and O'Dell's 5 Barrel Pale Ale. The mini
fridge isn't quite chilly enough so I ratchet the thermostat down a
bit then load in the bottles, filling up each available space in turn
but rotating the different flavors so that I have ready access to
whatever suits my momentary fancy. The next evening when I return
"home" from skiing I select a wheat beer and it's quite frosty. Next
up is a SNPA, of course it's mighty chilly as well. When I get to the
O'Dell's it instantly freezes as soon as I open it. This remains the
case for each O'Dell's no matter what part of the fridge it came from,
but is never the case for the other two brews no matter what part of
the fridge they were chilling in.


Can anyone explain this?


Chris


Any significant difference in alcohol content ?


O'Dell's 5.5
SN 5.6

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Old February 23rd 07, 03:10 AM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
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"bumpfreaq" wrote in message oups.com...
Ok, here's a sciency query for y'all.

I get to my motel with plenty of beer. I've got Sierra Nevada Pale
Ale, Sierra Nevada Wheat and O'Dell's 5 Barrel Pale Ale. The mini
fridge isn't quite chilly enough so I ratchet the thermostat down a
bit then load in the bottles, filling up each available space in turn
but rotating the different flavors so that I have ready access to
whatever suits my momentary fancy. The next evening when I return
"home" from skiing I select a wheat beer and it's quite frosty. Next
up is a SNPA, of course it's mighty chilly as well. When I get to the
O'Dell's it instantly freezes as soon as I open it. This remains the
case for each O'Dell's no matter what part of the fridge it came from,
but is never the case for the other two brews no matter what part of
the fridge they were chilling in.

Can anyone explain this?

Chris


Could be lower alcohol content in O'Dell's.
Could be higher CO2 pressure in O'Dell's.
Could be both.

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Old February 23rd 07, 03:23 AM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:10:32 -0500, "John R. Copeland"
wrote:

"bumpfreaq" wrote in message oups.com...
Ok, here's a sciency query for y'all.

I get to my motel with plenty of beer. I've got Sierra Nevada Pale
Ale, Sierra Nevada Wheat and O'Dell's 5 Barrel Pale Ale. The mini
fridge isn't quite chilly enough so I ratchet the thermostat down a
bit then load in the bottles, filling up each available space in turn
but rotating the different flavors so that I have ready access to
whatever suits my momentary fancy. The next evening when I return
"home" from skiing I select a wheat beer and it's quite frosty. Next
up is a SNPA, of course it's mighty chilly as well. When I get to the
O'Dell's it instantly freezes as soon as I open it. This remains the
case for each O'Dell's no matter what part of the fridge it came from,
but is never the case for the other two brews no matter what part of
the fridge they were chilling in.

Can anyone explain this?

Chris


Could be lower alcohol content in O'Dell's.
Could be higher CO2 pressure in O'Dell's.
Could be both.


The alcohol content makes sense to me. But, while I can see how the
higher CO2 pressure would keep the O'Dell's from freezing while
sealed, I'm not clear on how it would prompt freezing when the
pressure is released. (Not playing "gotcha", just geniunely curious)

I have't had the O'Dell's, but IMHO the Sierra Nevada doesn't need to
be anywhere near freezing to be palatable.

bw
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Old February 23rd 07, 03:29 AM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
bumpfreaq
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On Feb 22, 10:23 pm, bdubya wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:10:32 -0500, "John R. Copeland"



wrote:
"bumpfreaq" wrote in ooglegroups.com...
Ok, here's a sciency query for y'all.


I get to my motel with plenty of beer. I've got Sierra Nevada Pale
Ale, Sierra Nevada Wheat and O'Dell's 5 Barrel Pale Ale. The mini
fridge isn't quite chilly enough so I ratchet the thermostat down a
bit then load in the bottles, filling up each available space in turn
but rotating the different flavors so that I have ready access to
whatever suits my momentary fancy. The next evening when I return
"home" from skiing I select a wheat beer and it's quite frosty. Next
up is a SNPA, of course it's mighty chilly as well. When I get to the
O'Dell's it instantly freezes as soon as I open it. This remains the
case for each O'Dell's no matter what part of the fridge it came from,
but is never the case for the other two brews no matter what part of
the fridge they were chilling in.


Can anyone explain this?


Chris


Could be lower alcohol content in O'Dell's.
Could be higher CO2 pressure in O'Dell's.
Could be both.


The alcohol content makes sense to me. But, while I can see how the
higher CO2 pressure would keep the O'Dell's from freezing while
sealed, I'm not clear on how it would prompt freezing when the
pressure is released. (Not playing "gotcha", just geniunely curious)

I have't had the O'Dell's, but IMHO the Sierra Nevada doesn't need to
be anywhere near freezing to be palatable.

bw


Yeah, I'm definitely in agreement on that one. The motel fridge
thermostat was a bit jankity. I made another quick adjustment.

Chris

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Old February 23rd 07, 05:47 AM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
Stephen B.
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"bdubya"wrote
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:10:32 -0500, "John R. Copeland"
wrote:

"bumpfreaq" wrote in message

oups.com...
Ok, here's a sciency query for y'all.

I get to my motel with plenty of beer. I've got Sierra Nevada Pale
Ale, Sierra Nevada Wheat and O'Dell's 5 Barrel Pale Ale. The mini
fridge isn't quite chilly enough so I ratchet the thermostat down a
bit then load in the bottles, filling up each available space in turn
but rotating the different flavors so that I have ready access to
whatever suits my momentary fancy. The next evening when I return
"home" from skiing I select a wheat beer and it's quite frosty. Next
up is a SNPA, of course it's mighty chilly as well. When I get to the
O'Dell's it instantly freezes as soon as I open it. This remains the
case for each O'Dell's no matter what part of the fridge it came from,
but is never the case for the other two brews no matter what part of
the fridge they were chilling in.

Can anyone explain this?

Chris


Could be lower alcohol content in O'Dell's.
Could be higher CO2 pressure in O'Dell's.
Could be both.


The alcohol content makes sense to me. But, while I can see how the
higher CO2 pressure would keep the O'Dell's from freezing while
sealed, I'm not clear on how it would prompt freezing when the
pressure is released. (Not playing "gotcha", just geniunely curious)

I have't had the O'Dell's, but IMHO the Sierra Nevada doesn't need to
be anywhere near freezing to be palatable.


CO2 contributed to two factors beer freezing upon opening a bottle of beer.

First since Beer is mostly water, and water melts under pressure. (think how
skiing and ice skating works) the pressure from the CO2 retards freezing
prior to opening. once the bottle is open this "anti-freezing" function
stops being present.

Secondly when gasses expand they cool. This is the bases of all
refrigeration units; mechanically compress a gas, cool it to room
temperature, then let it expand thus extracting heat then repeat. The CO2
expanding and bubbling out of the beer will cool the beer slightly.

Sounds like an invention for the next beer revolution, self cooling cans.
Anyone want to invest?


I think it is time to start rec.skiing.alpine.science

--
Stephen B.
NYC - Carpe Skium
To reply remove the first spam only


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Old February 23rd 07, 06:14 AM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
Dave Cartman
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Default Blind me with beer science

In article 8evDh.7193$lo1.3196@trndny05,
"Stephen B." wrote:

Sounds like an invention for the next beer revolution, self cooling cans.
Anyone want to invest?


Actually those have been around at least since the early 80s. They rank
right up with $1 coins as far as things that seem like a good idea but
really catch on - there's probably an economic reality to it too.

Regardless:

http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/20/m...-cooling-beer-
cans-next-year/
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Old February 23rd 07, 07:59 PM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
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"Stephen B." wrote in message
news:8evDh.7193$lo1.3196@trndny05...
"bdubya"wrote
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:10:32 -0500, "John R. Copeland"
wrote:

"bumpfreaq" wrote in message

oups.com...
Ok, here's a sciency query for y'all.

I get to my motel with plenty of beer. I've got Sierra Nevada Pale
Ale, Sierra Nevada Wheat and O'Dell's 5 Barrel Pale Ale. The mini
fridge isn't quite chilly enough so I ratchet the thermostat down a
bit then load in the bottles, filling up each available space in turn
but rotating the different flavors so that I have ready access to
whatever suits my momentary fancy. The next evening when I return
"home" from skiing I select a wheat beer and it's quite frosty. Next
up is a SNPA, of course it's mighty chilly as well. When I get to

the
O'Dell's it instantly freezes as soon as I open it. This remains the
case for each O'Dell's no matter what part of the fridge it came

from,
but is never the case for the other two brews no matter what part of
the fridge they were chilling in.

Can anyone explain this?

Chris


Could be lower alcohol content in O'Dell's.
Could be higher CO2 pressure in O'Dell's.
Could be both.


The alcohol content makes sense to me. But, while I can see how the
higher CO2 pressure would keep the O'Dell's from freezing while
sealed, I'm not clear on how it would prompt freezing when the
pressure is released. (Not playing "gotcha", just geniunely curious)

I have't had the O'Dell's, but IMHO the Sierra Nevada doesn't need to
be anywhere near freezing to be palatable.


CO2 contributed to two factors beer freezing upon opening a bottle of

beer.

First since Beer is mostly water, and water melts under pressure. (think

how
skiing and ice skating works) the pressure from the CO2 retards freezing
prior to opening. once the bottle is open this "anti-freezing" function
stops being present.

Secondly when gasses expand they cool. This is the bases of all
refrigeration units; mechanically compress a gas, cool it to room
temperature, then let it expand thus extracting heat then repeat. The CO2
expanding and bubbling out of the beer will cool the beer slightly.

Sounds like an invention for the next beer revolution, self cooling cans.
Anyone want to invest?


I think it is time to start rec.skiing.alpine.science

--
Stephen B.
NYC - Carpe Skium
To reply remove the first spam only


To separate the alcohol and CO2 effects, open one can of SN and one can of O
’Dell’s (you can pour out and drink one half of each can) and put the half
empty cans back into the refrigerator. At this point the two beers in the
open cans should have about the same amount of CO2. If both freeze or
neither freezes, you just wasted some beer, but one has to make sacrifices
for science!

If the O’Dell’s freezes and SN does not, then the higher alcohol (plus
sugars, salts, soluble proteins, etc) is keeping the SN from freezing. If
O’Dell’s does not freeze then the freezing during opening was caused by the
expansion cooling of CO2.

Ernie


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Old February 23rd 07, 11:17 PM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
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On Feb 23, 2:59 pm, "Ernie" wrote:
"Stephen B." wrote in message

news:8evDh.7193$lo1.3196@trndny05...

"bdubya"wrote
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:10:32 -0500, "John R. Copeland"
wrote:


"bumpfreaq" wrote in message

roups.com...
Ok, here's a sciency query for y'all.


I get to my motel with plenty of beer. I've got Sierra Nevada Pale
Ale, Sierra Nevada Wheat and O'Dell's 5 Barrel Pale Ale. The mini
fridge isn't quite chilly enough so I ratchet the thermostat down a
bit then load in the bottles, filling up each available space in turn
but rotating the different flavors so that I have ready access to
whatever suits my momentary fancy. The next evening when I return
"home" from skiing I select a wheat beer and it's quite frosty. Next
up is a SNPA, of course it's mighty chilly as well. When I get to

the
O'Dell's it instantly freezes as soon as I open it. This remains the
case for each O'Dell's no matter what part of the fridge it came

from,
but is never the case for the other two brews no matter what part of
the fridge they were chilling in.


Can anyone explain this?


Chris


Could be lower alcohol content in O'Dell's.
Could be higher CO2 pressure in O'Dell's.
Could be both.


The alcohol content makes sense to me. But, while I can see how the
higher CO2 pressure would keep the O'Dell's from freezing while
sealed, I'm not clear on how it would prompt freezing when the
pressure is released. (Not playing "gotcha", just geniunely curious)


I have't had the O'Dell's, but IMHO the Sierra Nevada doesn't need to
be anywhere near freezing to be palatable.


CO2 contributed to two factors beer freezing upon opening a bottle of

beer.

First since Beer is mostly water, and water melts under pressure. (think

how
skiing and ice skating works) the pressure from the CO2 retards freezing
prior to opening. once the bottle is open this "anti-freezing" function
stops being present.


Secondly when gasses expand they cool. This is the bases of all
refrigeration units; mechanically compress a gas, cool it to room
temperature, then let it expand thus extracting heat then repeat. The CO2
expanding and bubbling out of the beer will cool the beer slightly.


Sounds like an invention for the next beer revolution, self cooling cans.
Anyone want to invest?


I think it is time to start rec.skiing.alpine.science


--
Stephen B.
NYC - Carpe Skium
To reply remove the first spam only


To separate the alcohol and CO2 effects, open one can of SN and one can of O
'Dell's (you can pour out and drink one half of each can) and put the half
empty cans back into the refrigerator. At this point the two beers in the
open cans should have about the same amount of CO2. If both freeze or
neither freezes, you just wasted some beer, but one has to make sacrifices
for science!


C'mon Ernie, would you rather live in a world without science or a
world without beer. I mean science is ok, but sacrifice beer? I
think not.

Chris

If the O'Dell's freezes and SN does not, then the higher alcohol (plus
sugars, salts, soluble proteins, etc) is keeping the SN from freezing. If
O'Dell's does not freeze then the freezing during opening was caused by the
expansion cooling of CO2.

Ernie



 




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