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"toller" wrote in message ... My wife fell on her thumb a couple year ago and it took many months to heal. The orthopedist told her to use poles where the grip wraps around the hand, rather than the kind with straps, to protect her thumb in the future. The wrap around kind is no longer available, so I have picked them out of discard piles whenever I see them. I had a problem with my little finger one season, and finally figured out that the new poles I was using, which had a "disk" like widening above and below your hand, were causing the problem. My little finger would be really sore after a day skiing. I finally tried a pair of poles with the more straight grip, and the soreness went away. Unfortunately, that finger now has permanent arthritus from the constant irritation that season. Bob |
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In article ,
Walt wrote: Note that going strapless is a really really bad idea if you're skiing terrain where self arrest may be necessary. So whenever I encounter such a slope, I carefully put my wrists through the straps, taking sometimes three or four minutes to do so. Usually by that time I've come to my senses and go ski some other run. How can you use the poles to self arrest when your hand are in the straps? ....After sliding about 75 yards a few weeks ago, I discovered that I was unable to slide my hand down to the basket end of the pole in order to use the pole as a pick. So, I just kept sliding and sliding, etc.. Fortunately one ski came off during the fall and I was able to dig the front of my boot into the slope to eventually stop below experiencing the full length of the trail. Some skiers say keep one hand out of the strap when on difficult/steep runs. But isn't the point of the strap to keep you from losing the ski. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't??? -Dennis -- Dennis Kessler http://www.denniskessler.com/acupuncture |
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Sven Golly wrote: "Armin" wrote in news:1111190679.992709.82990 @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: I think you're mistaken about the Life-Links. They release fairly easily on an upward pull, such as when the pole catches on a tree, but you can push down on the strap as hard as you want without having them release. That's the beauty of them. Not so sure about that. I'm pretty sure they simply release when pulled on too hard. I don't think they care if the tension has a different angle to it. I could be wrong. Trust me, you're wrong. I've used the Life-Link AEC for many years... including yesterday. I double-checked just for the hell of it. I pushed down on the straps as hard as I could. They held. I pulled upwards fairly lightly and they popped. Maybe it's time to trade those Kerma's for Life-Links. :-) A. |
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Sven Golly wrote: "Armin" wrote in news:1111421620.544394.130460 @l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com: Trust me, you're wrong. That's because you have a partitioned mind and cannot see all the angles of flatpoling. Oh wait, sorry. Got this mixed up with a parallel universe. Partition hard drives, not minds! Is it true that if a mind partition crosses the 1024 cylinder boundary that mind won't be bootable? Lisa |
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no spam wrote:
Walt wrote: Note that going strapless is a really really bad idea if you're skiing terrain where self arrest may be necessary. So whenever I encounter such a slope, I carefully put my wrists through the straps, taking sometimes three or four minutes to do so. Usually by that time I've come to my senses and go ski some other run. How can you use the poles to self arrest when your hand are in the straps? I believe the idea is to grab the pole with your other hand near the basket. At least, that's the technique I've used. ...After sliding about 75 yards a few weeks ago, I discovered that I was unable to slide my hand down to the basket end of the pole in order to use the pole as a pick. So, I just kept sliding and sliding, etc.. Fortunately one ski came off during the fall and I was able to dig the front of my boot into the slope to eventually stop below experiencing the full length of the trail. If you still have both skis on, don't bother starting with the pole arrest. Just get your skis downhill and put 'em on edge. Unless it's super-steep (i.e. over 50 degrees) this usually works for most skiers. If you're still sliding after engaging your skis, then add the pole arrest. Typically, pole arrests are done after you've lost both skis. Some skiers say keep one hand out of the strap when on difficult/steep runs. But isn't the point of the strap to keep you from losing the ski. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't??? Best bet is still not to fall. |
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TexasSkiNut wrote:
no spam wrote: Walt wrote: Note that going strapless is a really really bad idea if you're skiing terrain where self arrest may be necessary. How can you use the poles to self arrest when your hand are in the straps? How can you use the poles to self-arrest when they're lying 100 feet above you and you're sliding away from them at 30 miles an hour? You raise a good point - as the estimable Dr Lee has pointed out, some people advocate not strapping in for exactly that reason. I don't strap in, and I tend to reflexively jettison my poles when I fall. That's what I mean by "really really bad idea". I believe the idea is to grab the pole with your other hand near the basket. At least, that's the technique I've used. Even strapped in, you should be able to grab the basket of the other pole. At least that's the theory. Best bet is still not to fall. Ok. I'll try to follow your sage advice. -- //-Walt // // There is no Völkl Conspiracy |
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"Armin" wrote in message Yep , that's pretty much the idea I got from it . But it's a little bit of a nuisance to do and it makes the grip feel a little weird because your holding the handle plus the double thickness of the strap and it feels like your not getting as tight a grip . But then again a broken thumb can be a nuisance too :-) . I think you'll find that the "weird" feel is only weird because you're not used to it and, as long as the strap is threaded through the buckle properly, so that it isn't twisted, the extra thickness isn't really an issue and you won't even feel it with your gloves on. It must not be an issue for most people because almost everyone I ski with uses their straps in this way. As for it not feeling like you're getting as tight a grip, well, when using the strap this way you don't need to have a death-grip on you're handle in order to keep your hand from slipping down it when you put some weight on it because the strap supports your hand and keeps it from sliding down the handle. You can have a loose, relaxed hold of your poles and yet be more secure than you would be no matter how tight you gripped it without the strap. If you adjust the strap properly, when used this way it holds the hand exactly where you want it on the pole with very little grip. The strap does the work, not your hand. Bob |
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"Walt" wrote in message news:LTH%d.892 I believe the idea is to grab the pole with your other hand near the basket. At least, that's the technique I've used. Even strapped in, you should be able to grab the basket of the other pole. At least that's the theory. Best bet is still not to fall. The last time I did it, the last 5 inches of the pole broke off. But it stopped what would have been a bad ice/bumps slide. I used those poles for 30 years. Bob |
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Bob wrote: "Armin" wrote in message As for it not feeling like you're getting as tight a grip, well, when using the strap this way you don't need to have a death-grip on you're handle in order to keep your hand from slipping down it when you put some weight on it because the strap supports your hand and keeps it from sliding down the handle. You can have a loose, relaxed hold of your poles and yet be more secure than you would be no matter how tight you gripped it without the strap. If you adjust the strap properly, when used this way it holds the hand exactly where you want it on the pole with very little grip. The strap does the work, not your hand. Bob I think that's exactly what I said, wasn't it? See the line about "You can have a loose, relaxed grip...". I realize I have to be extra-clear with the folk still using floppy cable bindings. Nice people, and they mean well, but their lips move when they read, if you know what I mean. ;-) A. |
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In article .com,
"TexasSkiNut" wrote: no spam wrote: Walt wrote: Note that going strapless is a really really bad idea if you're skiing terrain where self arrest may be necessary. So whenever I encounter such a slope, I carefully put my wrists through the straps, taking sometimes three or four minutes to do so. Usually by that time I've come to my senses and go ski some other run. How can you use the poles to self arrest when your hand are in the straps? I believe the idea is to grab the pole with your other hand near the basket. At least, that's the technique I've used. If both hands are in the straps, and you use one hand to try and grab above the basket and plant the pole, the one hand would be near the snow surface, jsut above the basket and the other hand would be in the strap, about 48" perpendicular and above the surface of the snow. If think this would be quite a feat while accelerating down the mountain on your stomach. ....there must be a better way. ...After sliding about 75 yards a few weeks ago, I discovered that I was unable to slide my hand down to the basket end of the pole in order to use the pole as a pick. So, I just kept sliding and sliding, etc.. Fortunately one ski came off during the fall and I was able to dig the front of my boot into the slope to eventually stop below experiencing the full length of the trail. If you still have both skis on, don't bother starting with the pole arrest. Just get your skis downhill and put 'em on edge. Unless it's super-steep (i.e. over 50 degrees) this usually works for most skiers. If you're still sliding after engaging your skis, then add the pole arrest. Typically, pole arrests are done after you've lost both skis. Sounds like a good plan. We'll keep it in mind. Some skiers say keep one hand out of the strap when on difficult/steep runs. But isn't the point of the strap to keep you from losing the ski. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't??? Best bet is still not to fall. That would mean paying attention to what I was doing all the time. -Dennis -- Dennis Kessler http://www.denniskessler.com/acupuncture |
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