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Any way to tell if wax is high fluoro or not?
On Feb 15, 7:36 pm, "
wrote: Method 2. Wax a surface with a known HC wax, wax the same surface the same way with a known HF wax, and wax the same surface the same way with wax X. Deposit 10 droplets of water of the same size onto patches HC, HF, and X. First, see if there is a difference between droplets HC and HF. If there is, the method kinda works. Second see if droplets X look more like droplets HC or more like droplets HF. Use wax X for training/recreational skiing. Buy known HF wax and use for racing. Learn a $(insert price) lesson and move on. |
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Any way to tell if wax is high fluoro or not?
On Feb 14, 2:57 pm, wrote:
Does anybody know if there's a way to tell if wax is high fluoro or not? I wonder because I purchased some HF Toko wax on E-Bay and now I'm wondering what would stop someone from putting in regular Hydrocarbon wax and passing it off as HF. Also, it seems likely that sometimes one could separate a wax from it's labeled container, so I was wondering if there are any characteristics -- smell, granularity, weight, etc. that might indicate a wax's fluoro content. i'm surprised nobody has mentioned this, but wax manufacturers generally(certainly Swix and Toko do this) put more color in the lower fluoro waxes, so just hold the bar you purchased up to lower fluoro product of the same color from the same brand. HF is lighter than LF is lighter than CH. really simple. |
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Any way to tell if wax is high fluoro or not?
i'm surprised nobody has mentioned this, but wax manufacturers generally(certainly Swix and Toko do this) put more color in the lower fluoro waxes, so just hold the bar you purchased up to lower fluoro product of the same color from the same brand. HF is lighter than LF is lighter than CH. really simple. I've noticed that, too. Good point. |
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Any way to tell if wax is high fluoro or not?
On Feb 16, 10:46 pm, "
wrote: i'm surprised nobody has mentioned this, but wax manufacturers generally(certainly Swix and Toko do this) put more color in the lower fluoro waxes, so just hold the bar you purchased up to lower fluoro product of the same color from the same brand. HF is lighter than LF is lighter than CH. really simple. I've noticed that, too. Good point. I don't disagree but I've seen enough color variation from one year to the next and also between various size packaging to make this more difficult a distinction than you'd hope. (speaking from experience having done the same thing as OP - lost track of non fluoro vs. lf type wax and tried to identify it by color alone) |
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Any way to tell if wax is high fluoro or not?
On Feb 17, 3:14*pm, Zeke wrote:
On Feb 16, 10:46 pm, " wrote: i'm surprised nobody has mentioned this, but wax manufacturers generally(certainly Swix and Toko do this) put more color in the lower fluoro waxes, so just hold the bar you purchased up to lower fluoro product of the same color from the same brand. HF is lighter than LF is lighter than CH. really simple. I've noticed that, too. Good point. I don't disagree but I've seen enough color variation from one year to the next and also between various size packaging to make this more difficult a distinction than you'd hope. *(speaking from experience having done the same thing as OP - lost track of non fluoro vs. lf type wax and tried to identify it by color alone) The color recommendation is brilliant -- exactly the little tid bit of information I didn't know but hoped existed. I ran the test above on two of the 3 HF waxes I bought (I don't have any LF in yellow), and the blue and red tested (lighter) as they should. So it looks like what I bought is what it was advertised to be (I know this isn't definitive, but it's something). And hopefully this discussion will help someone else out in the future. Slightly lighter colors up the HF scale. Who would have guessed. |
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Any way to tell if wax is high fluoro or not?
Ah, so the huge difference in the way that fluoro SPARKLES when you
iron it compared to the plain old HC wax isn't an obvious way to tell them apart? Hello? I don't have new waxes but the old fluoro waxes that I have LIGHT UP when I iron them. (To an extent. I'm exaggerating for effect...) I find it WEIRD that no one is mentioning this difference when this REMARKABLE effect was commonly mentioned and marveled at back when fluoro first came around. Does it no longer occur due to some weird change in production? Hello? --JP |
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Any way to tell if wax is high fluoro or not?
Aren't the sparkles only evident in pure fluoros?
Dave "Jeff Potter (of OutYourBackdoor.com)" wrote in message ... Ah, so the huge difference in the way that fluoro SPARKLES when you iron it compared to the plain old HC wax isn't an obvious way to tell them apart? Hello? I don't have new waxes but the old fluoro waxes that I have LIGHT UP when I iron them. (To an extent. I'm exaggerating for effect...) I find it WEIRD that no one is mentioning this difference when this REMARKABLE effect was commonly mentioned and marveled at back when fluoro first came around. Does it no longer occur due to some weird change in production? Hello? --JP |
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Any way to tell if wax is high fluoro or not?
On Feb 19, 11:06*am, "Jeff Potter (of OutYourBackdoor.com)"
wrote: fluoro SPARKLES ...LIGHT UP --JP I have seen this with FastWax HF, but also with the FastWax sportline (CH) blue wax too. It may be just a fastwax thing. Also I have seen Toko pure fluoro sparkles, but not all pure fluoros sparkle. |
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Any way to tell if wax is high fluoro or not?
Also I have seen Toko pure fluoro sparkles, but not all pure fluoros sparkle. I've only seen pure F sparkle, never HF |
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Any way to tell if wax is high fluoro or not?
On Feb 16, 2:25 am, highpeaksnordic wrote:
I have seen some Toko wax (the 100 gram bars) packed in a ziploc bag, which simply has a stick-on label - I guess you take that purchase on faith or buy from your local, reputable shop! Few years ago, when I was still in xc skiing, these waxes was for racing service. Toko never had fancy boxes for racing service waxes, but they also never had racing service waxes sold in normal stores. For Swix it was different, and racing service waxes were normally same as waxes sold in stores. But it's been a while, since I was wax technician in World cup, so things could be different now As for original poster goes. Back at my days, HF waxes had different smell (even when not melted) then LF or non fluoro waxes. And smell was so much different, you could easily tell which one is which. And on top of that, LF waxes were more colorful (brighter color) then HF waxes. But they never sparkled as pure fluoro waxes did when melted. But once again, things can be different today Take care, Primoz http://www.photo.si |
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