The Europeans have no REAL mountains for skiing !!!!!

American mountains are much bigger and better, European mountains are
just tiny "hills".

"Bruno Beam" wrote in message
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American mountains are much bigger and better, European mountains are
just tiny "hills".

Everything in America is bigger and better - all of us in Europe accept that
as a fact.
--
Simon Brown
www.hb9drv.ch

I agree

And that's why I suggest: Don't bother come visit European mountains, stick
to your own.

"Simon Brown" skrev i en meddelelse
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"Bruno Beam" wrote in message
om...
American mountains are much bigger and better, European mountains are
just tiny "hills".

Everything in America is bigger and better - all of us in Europe accept
that
as a fact.
--
Simon Brown
www.hb9drv.ch

Bruno Beam wrote:
American mountains are much bigger and better, European mountains are
just tiny "hills".

That's because you measure everything in foot, like with that last Mars
orbiter, or better said crasher :-))

Marinus

--
http://snow.jeuring.com

I wasn't going to rise to that but as they say in the USA "what the hell!!".
I've looked up the top 10 resorts for snowboarding, advanced, off-piste and
moguls ( a fair selection I think) in my 2003 ski and snowboard guide. Of
the 40 resorts 26 are in Europe and only 14 in the USA. Of the those 14
resorts are Telluride that is so small that is only covered in the
"round-up" section in the back with a vertical drop of only 1070m and
Killington (top @ only1285m) with a vertical drop of only 900m. We're
going to Serre Chevalier next month, not exactly on of Frances's biggest or
highest resorts but is still has a vertical drop of 1300m and a 7km run.
Last Christmas in Val D'Isere my sons skiied the 4 corners (Fornet,
Breviere, Grand Motte and La Daille) in a day without using a lift or piste
more than once and covered over 10,000m vertical. Seeing as America is many
times larger than Europe I'd say that their skiing (by comparison) is
lacking. And while I whinge at paying 190e for a week's pass in the 3v or
somewhere comparable that is bloody cheap compared to the extortionate
prices charged by the much smaller American resorts.

I rest my case.

Rob




"Bruno Beam" wrote in message
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American mountains are much bigger and better, European mountains are
just tiny "hills".

Oops - I meant 10,000ft !!

Rob
"Rob White" wrote in message
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I wasn't going to rise to that but as they say in the USA "what the
hell!!".
I've looked up the top 10 resorts for snowboarding, advanced, off-piste
and
moguls ( a fair selection I think) in my 2003 ski and snowboard guide. Of
the 40 resorts 26 are in Europe and only 14 in the USA. Of the those 14
resorts are Telluride that is so small that is only covered in the
"round-up" section in the back with a vertical drop of only 1070m and
Killington (top @ only1285m) with a vertical drop of only 900m. We're
going to Serre Chevalier next month, not exactly on of Frances's biggest
or
highest resorts but is still has a vertical drop of 1300m and a 7km run.
Last Christmas in Val D'Isere my sons skiied the 4 corners (Fornet,
Breviere, Grand Motte and La Daille) in a day without using a lift or
piste
more than once and covered over 10,000m vertical. Seeing as America is
many
times larger than Europe I'd say that their skiing (by comparison) is
lacking. And while I whinge at paying 190e for a week's pass in the 3v or
somewhere comparable that is bloody cheap compared to the extortionate
prices charged by the much smaller American resorts.

I rest my case.

Rob




"Bruno Beam" wrote in message
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American mountains are much bigger and better, European mountains are
just tiny "hills".

In article ,
(Bruno Beam) wrote:

American mountains are much bigger and better, European mountains are
just tiny "hills".

LOL

Do not feed the troll, pls.

TA

wrote in message
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In article ,
(Bruno Beam) wrote:

American mountains are much bigger and better, European mountains are
just tiny "hills".

LOL

Do not feed the troll, pls.

TA

Until the tourists arrive at the end of the week there's not much else to
do!

BTW very good snow in Laax now.
--
Simon Brown
www.hb9drv.ch

Simon Brown wrote:

Everything in America is bigger and better
accept that as a fact.


Very funny, indeed.

1. Not everything. Truly good things happen to be
in insufficient quantities and small sizes.

2. But even then, "bigger" does not mean "better". What is _bigger_
in skiing in USA, anyway? Hardly anything except prices.

3. MOUNTAINS: Mountains in USA are definitely LOWER
than in Europe, NOT BIGGER or HIGHER. Most skiable mountains
aren't high enough, vertical drops are much smaller than in
the Alps and Caucasus.

American Resorts are eager to boast and "snow" you with their
skiable acreage, but we know that 1/4 of it is practically flat.
And there is a million of bloody flat runs connecting slopes
and where you have to use ski poles extensively to get through
or even down ! (Plenty of flattish slopes with small angle).

Generally, owners of ski resorts use cheap tricks to fool people
and lure skiers by providing inaccurate markup on ski maps.
Half of black runs should be marked as blue, and a good deal
of blue runs are nothing but green ones. Etc...

There are NO skiable glaciers in USA (maybe on Alaska? I haven't
checked that yet). Which may be important to guarantee skiing
(in winter with meagre snowfall) or just to have longer ski season.

No skiable mountains higher than 13200 ft (4000 meters), whereas in
Europe you can ski from much higher mountains of Montblanc (France)
and Elbrus (Russia).

And, generally, Montblanc offers longest runs in the world.


4. SKI LIFTS: Ski lifts in USA simply leave much to be desired. Very
undeveloped systems (and great part of those are out-dated machinery).
But main problem that they laid out badly and very inconveniently for
skiers. I skied everywhere and always cursed. It's understood that
layout depends on soil, accurate geologic survey, etc. But it just can
not be that MOST ski lifts (on most resorts) were designed and placed
in weird ways only because of soil/slope restrictions/requirements.

Ski lifts (on majority of resorts) simply do NOT go high enough, and,
basically, are built (what we call) for old farts and pregnant women.
[Slopes for very recreational, very safe type of skiing.]
Only recently, as demand for tougher skiing/boarding increased, many
resorts opened so-called "foot-accessible" slopes.

What is this fascinating, breath-taking innovation?

Instead of having decent lifts that bring you to the very top, you
have to walk up a couple of miles, after riding a chair lift?
Who the hell needs this idiocy?

Not a single high-speed funicular railway was ever built in USA.
Apparently, greedy owners of resorts believe that skiers prefer to
freeze their arses in chairs for 20 minutes, instead of riding for 5
minutes in warm cabins of train.

Well, if a US resort has a gondola - it's already a great achievement!


5. LOCATIONS:
Practically all ski resorts in USA were developed WHERE it was
convenient to build and maintain those resorts, and NOT where skiing is
better. In other words resorts were just developed around towns and
villages, and ski lifts were thrown onto nearest mountain slopes that
usually are not high/steep enough for decent skiing/boarding.

6. HELI-SKI:
Only one place in the whole USA (Telluride) offers heliski. This is
really pathetic ! Even if you can find higher mountains with great snow,
you can not really get there...


7. SCENERY and ENVIRONMENT:
Scenery (mountains) just are NOT that spectacular as in Europe
(except "Canyons" in Utah, and mmmm... Aspen Highlands?).

Environment is hopelessly spoilt bt the same nauseating car-parking
lots everywhere! You just can not clear up your lungs from city smoke
and car exhaust because it's the same stench and nightmarish automobile
pollution at the foot of every mountain on US ski resort (and on streets
of many American ski towns).

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I may continue, but it's just too boring. There is a BIG potential
(nice mountains can be found) to develop great resorts in USA, but
considering labour cost (etc.) it's unlikely to happen soon.

There is one cool thing in USA however, that does not exist in Europe:
few "ski-only" resorts (for those who don't want to share slopes with
snowboarders). It can be of certain advantage.

Generally, as of now, there are only 3 more-or-less decent places in USA
to ski: Aspen area (Co), Jackson Hole (Wy), and Snowbird/Alta (Ut).

All other resorts are below normal standards of quality of skiing.
By European standard at least. nasty grin





J-P. Lemmite

Going back to my other replies - the 4 corners in Espace Killy is in excess
of 10,000m vertical and my correction saying feet was wrong. It's do-able
in a day (if you're young and/or fit, not 50ish & a bit flabby like me),
without skiing the same slope or riding the same lift more than once. Can
America equal or better that in one resort? And there are better resorts in
Europe than that too. .

Rob

"Bruno Beam" wrote in message
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American mountains are much bigger and better, European mountains are
just tiny "hills".