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VO2 intensity blocks - full info from usst
Hello ski fans,
There is a complete write up and several shorter write ups on the interval blocks that we are doing posted at www.teamtoday.org. You will find all the "rules" we go by as well as a lot of testimony as to how it is working, what we have learned a long the way... just looking at what I have read here at rsn most people are looking at these as killer workouts. That is NOT the case. For more info please read "VO2 Training" posted at www.teamtoday.org as well as "usst training", two "VO2 journals" articles, "Hard training at it's finest", and any of the articles about San Diego ("News from San Diego".) I think this will be helpful. While you are at teamtoday check out every thing else we've been up to ("What we're all about - a series" is a good place to start). Trond is already in Europe and I leave on Thursday. From there Trond and I drive two vans from Munich to Muonio, Finland where we will meet most of the distance team who travel over this weekend. We did not bring the whole team because we cannot afford to. Again: we did not bring the whole team because we cannot afford to. This is the US Ski Team. That is YOUR team. Help support us at www.teamtoday.org Train hard Rest well There is no other way Pete |
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As a non-American I have to say I don't resent Pete's posting. People
in this newsgroup are intelligent enough to filter the message appropriately. I think of the nordic community as a virtual one. Besides, our Canadian national group seems to do virtually no outreach to the skiing public so I am very grateful for the information he presents. Chris (Steve McGregor) wrote in message . com... (Pete Vordenberg) wrote in message . com... Hello ski fans, Hi Pete, thanks for the info. There is a complete write up and several shorter write ups on the interval blocks that we are doing posted at www.teamtoday.org. You will find all the "rules" we go by as well as a lot of testimony as to how it is working, what we have learned a long the way... just looking at what I have read here at rsn most people are looking at these as killer workouts. That is NOT the case. Hmm... I guess that depends on your definition of Killer. Considering L4 is typically ascribed to be maximal lactate steady state, which occurs about 80-90 % max HR (75-80 % VO2max), but not necessarily 4 mM lactate, and you are supposed to be above that level, most would consider that definitely tough. The intervals should be approximately 90+% max HR (90 % VO2max), which is above the ventilatory threshold, where most people start huffing and puffing. If you are fit, you won't be dying at this intensity, but without a solid base, you would have a hard time finishing them, as evidenced by one of the journal entries you cite on the Team Today website. Further, most citizen skiers don't train at L4 very much (I know, generalization, but I did say "most"), so, if they tried to go above that, they would definitely be hurting. So, for most recreational skiers, these might not be "Killer" workouts, but they are going to be hard. If you undershoot the intensity, you won't get a whole lot of benefit out of 4 x 4 min at low L4 intensity. As we have discussed before though, you also don't want to overshoot the intensity either. For more info please read "VO2 Training" posted at www.teamtoday.org as well as "usst training", two "VO2 journals" articles, "Hard training at it's finest", and any of the articles about San Diego ("News from San Diego".) I think this will be helpful. While you are at teamtoday check out every thing else we've been up to ("What we're all about - a series" is a good place to start). Trond is already in Europe and I leave on Thursday. From there Trond and I drive two vans from Munich to Muonio, Finland where we will meet most of the distance team who travel over this weekend. We did not bring the whole team because we cannot afford to. Again: we did not bring the whole team because we cannot afford to. This is the US Ski Team. That is YOUR team. Unfortunately, I cannot afford to go either. Not to be too undelicate, but it's a bit presumptuous to assume that everyone reading this newsgroup is American and therefore your team is their team. Help support us at www.teamtoday.org Train hard Rest well There is no other way Pete You too, Steve |
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Janne G wrote in message ...
Steve McGregor wrote: (Pete Vordenberg) wrote in message . com... Trond is already in Europe and I leave on Thursday. From there Trond and I drive two vans from Munich to Muonio, Finland where we will meet most of the distance team who travel over this weekend. We did not bring the whole team because we cannot afford to. Again: we did not bring the whole team because we cannot afford to. This is the US Ski Team. That is YOUR team. Unfortunately, I cannot afford to go either. Not to be too undelicate, but it's a bit presumptuous to assume that everyone reading this newsgroup is American and therefore your team is their team. Thanks Steve. Hello again, I know that this is the world wide web and that not all posters are from the US. As far as who's team this is my experience is that our athletes have more fans in Europe than in the USA. My aim is not to exclude anyone but to include everyone. To say we are a US only team or that our support network is only American is wrong. Our head coach is Norwegian, our sprint coach is Norwegian as is one of our waxers and ski grinders. This is certainly their team and I welcome anyone who takes pride in the US athletes doing well, who gets joy from watching the US athletes doing well, who is a fan of ski racing, of the under-dog, of seeing skiing broaden into a more truely international sport, to join us, to support us, to cheer for us wherever you come from. If you don't want to come aboard that is fine. If you do, welcome and thank you. As for the L4 workouts being killer. They are not killer. No matter what shape you are in they must be done just over YOUR threshold. Case in point these intervals are prescribed to heart patients post open heart surgery (I don't think they prescribe this in the US). They don't use the word killer when talking open heart surgery. One of the papers we read in our investigations of this method of training was about this practice... that paper is out there... I don't remember where we found it - but it was on the www somewhere. Yes it's tough. Yes it can be hard to complete. Level 1 can be hard to complete too if you are tired. But if you want killer you're looking for level 5. That's puke on your boots killer. Level 4 VO2 intervals are controled. As for any advice or info take what you will. I post to be helpful not argumentative. I wish you all a great ski season, Pete |
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(Pete Vordenberg) wrote in message . com...
Janne G wrote in message ... Steve McGregor wrote: (Pete Vordenberg) wrote in message . com... Trond is already in Europe and I leave on Thursday. From there Trond and I drive two vans from Munich to Muonio, Finland where we will meet most of the distance team who travel over this weekend. We did not bring the whole team because we cannot afford to. Again: we did not bring the whole team because we cannot afford to. This is the US Ski Team. That is YOUR team. Unfortunately, I cannot afford to go either. Not to be too undelicate, but it's a bit presumptuous to assume that everyone reading this newsgroup is American and therefore your team is their team. Thanks Steve. Hello again, I know that this is the world wide web and that not all posters are from the US. As far as who's team this is my experience is that our athletes have more fans in Europe than in the USA. My aim is not to exclude anyone but to include everyone. To say we are a US only team or that our support network is only American is wrong. Our head coach is Norwegian, our sprint coach is Norwegian as is one of our waxers and ski grinders. This is certainly their team and I welcome anyone who takes pride in the US athletes doing well, who gets joy from watching the US athletes doing well, who is a fan of ski racing, of the under-dog, of seeing skiing broaden into a more truely international sport, to join us, to support us, to cheer for us wherever you come from. If you don't want to come aboard that is fine. If you do, welcome and thank you. No problem. There are always contextual issues when communicating via the web. The impression I got from the last line was more the finger wagging in my/our face more than the American centric sentiment. I'm sure everyone on the group appreciates the acccess being provided to all of us by your Team Today site, myself included. That being said, scolding us because you cannot afford to send the entire squad to Europe doesn't come off well to alot of people. Times are tough everywhere, and we'd all like to go to Europe and ski our brains out. I'm sure you're just trying to drum up interest and support, it's just that that particular sentence or two came off a bit rough, at least to me. From the comments I have received off list from others, I was not the only one. As for the L4 workouts being killer. They are not killer. No matter what shape you are in they must be done just over YOUR threshold. Case in point these intervals are prescribed to heart patients post open heart surgery (I don't think they prescribe this in the US). They don't use the word killer when talking open heart surgery. One of the papers we read in our investigations of this method of training was about this practice... that paper is out there... I don't remember where we found it - but it was on the www somewhere. Yes it's tough. Yes it can be hard to complete. Level 1 can be hard to complete too if you are tired. But if you want killer you're looking for level 5. That's puke on your boots killer. Level 4 VO2 intervals are controled. As for any advice or info take what you will. I post to be helpful not argumentative. Same here. I don't think I was argumentative in my post, other than maybe my remark about "your team". I really dig talking/debating about the physiology of training and get into these detailed discussions all the time. I'm pretty familiar with the literature regarding VO2max intervals, and I was just clarifying my position. If I came off as being argumentative, apologies. I was just pointing out that many recreational skiers will think these are killer workouts. I don't want to rehash the discussion, but many recreational athletes feel that an L4 workout is tough. Since hitting the right intensity on these intervals is so crucial, I was simply trying to point out that some might think it was a tough workout, and not to do them too easy as a result. We have previously had the debate about how to hit the correct intensity for the various activities, and I don't think anyone got offended on that one. I dunno, maybe I was wrong. I wish you all a great ski season, Pete You too. Have fun in Europe. Steve |
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