Taichiskiing

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Stuart wrote:
"downhill" wrote in message


sorry
you start a right hand turn at 30 mph and in the middle of the turn
your going to slip to the inside?
show me
You can't. But as a previous poster pointed out, you can slip the
fronts of the skis downhill to the right while doing a left hand
traverse and initiate a "windshield-wiper" turn. In this case a slip
does occur in the direction of the turn, but technically, when the slip
is performed, the centre of mass is to the left and not being deflected
in a right hand turn. Just some parts of the skiers anatomy ie the skis
are slipping right. Then, the actual initiation of the turn is made
with a com shift to the right. You are slipping right, but not yet
turning actually.
My point being you declare an absolute and the first example it fails
like everything cheese dip claims to be true.
Slipping is letting the ski's slide 90 degrees to the normal path of
travel
Sliding in increasing the radius of your turn because you have NOT grip.

Not sure what you are saying here, but this sounds like a skidded turn,
as if you hit an icy patch and the turn went wider than you intended it
to.

EG In an airplane in a left hand turn, if you apply more left rudder or
yaw than is necessary the turn will SKID, like a rear-wheel drive car
doing a fishtail on ice. The ass-end will go wide to the right. If you
apply less left rudder or even right rudder, the airplane's tail will
SLIP or yaw to the inside of the turn.


What I am saying it is bull**** if you think you can slide to inside of
turn, slow speeds do not count as your not developing enough forces to
really be in a turn

airplane is not a proper example speed difference and aerodynamic forces
make it a poor choice for an example vs a skier no contact patch, it is
back to the snowmobile pushing the skier to the inside of the turn

A rear wheel drive doing a fish tail on ice will go in the direction based
on the type of differential in the car and the grip of the ice or surface.
90 percent of the time to get it to fish tail you need to do a dirt trick
turn right to go left
In a right hand turn if you get oversteer the car will go to the left
never to the inside of the turn. I am talking prior to loosing it as it
becomes unstable in a condition like spinning.

If your racing on hard pack and you hit a unpacked section your radius
will increase as there will be more compression in the surface

And you understand that is a skid, then?

I picked the airplane and car examples just to illustrate the basic
differences between "skid" and "slip"

Technically, no, it virtually impossible to slip to the inside of the turn
unless speeds are low and other compensatory physics are taking place. I
think that's what our friend probably does when he skis.