Wedge vs. Stem; The Difference.

Norm wrote:
"yunlong" wrote in message

Nonsense, so you think that only the terminology you used is
correct,
and another people's terminology is crap?

Crap it is.

Just tell 'em, no more uphill downhill.

Why? Uphill/downhill are not the natural environment of skiing?

There's nothing wrong with uphill/downhill terminology; just
because
you are confused with it doesn't mean it is invalid.

Yun, I've skied for 30 years and I had to stop and think about what
uphill
and downhill meant in terms of weighting and unweighting through a
turn. It
changes 3 times in the course of any turn if your thinking uphill and

downhill. Your explanation leaves me thinking I might have to change
my
weight 3 times each turn, when in fact it should one fluid motion.
(basically). Inside and outside OTOH, was obvious. And it stays the
same
until you begin the next turn.

Too tedious, have you tried to "ride" the skis?

The walking in a circle analogy was excellent. I have been trying for
years
to come up with such a clear way to explain it to my kids.

Why not just teach them to distinguish "left" and "right," the natural
body structure?






Really? Did you tell them to use "inside/outside ski" or
"left/right
ski/foot"?

I described it earlier. Walk in a circle and have them ID the
inside and outside feet. Left or right is not relevant it would
only confuse.

Still "walking," eh? The question was how do they "ski"?

With the kids who cannot distinguish what left and right are, and
you
think they know what your inside and outside are on the fly?


I picture a kid having a LOT less trouble UNDERSTANDING inside and
out than
REMEMBERING left and right.

You may picture, but how real it is? I don't teach kids with
inside/outside terminology, so I don't have the statistics, however,
all the kids I taught knew what is "left" and "right."



That is to say most beginners forget what they have just learned
when
the skis start to slide.



No, it is turning on the inside ski; that is, press the right
ski
for
right turn and press the left ski for left turn.

The outside ski is the outside ski all the way around the
turn.
Same with the inside ski. Simple. It has to be kept simple.


Nothing [in skiing] simpler than press the right ski to turn right,
and
press left ski to turn left, and that is flat-boarding.


Sure. If you did it that way. Have you ever actually skied Yun?

You mean flat-boarding? Yes.
http://www.taomartialarts.com/ski/ski_v_is_tcs1.avi


IS

foot2foot wrote:
"BssnRX" wrote in message

No, it is turning on the inside ski; that is, press the right ski
for
right turn and press the left ski for left turn.

You press on the right ski to turn right and the left ski to turn
left?
hmmm

Yah, Yun was fun, for a while, but his troll is showing now.

I'm no long "Absolutely brilliant" but a "troll" now?

Yup, "dangling some cheap shining thing in the depth of shallowness,
you're bound to get some arrogant [fish] bites."--Master Troll--

And to think I got so excited by the converstaiton that
I misspelled wordz.

Yes, you have, what so excited about? Because your narrow focus being
challenged?


Push on that foot to go that way
and that footto go that way

He claims he's talking about turning on the inside ski, not the
outside. I had an eight year old that insisted on doing this. I
didn't feel all that bad, he did make the goal of parallel within
two hours. I spent almost all last year doing this, trying to learn
to ski on only one ski. Of course, I was only doing it half the
time. There's nothing that says you can't, if you're thoroughly
crossed over. If not, you'll dust off the snow with your body.

Maybe the kid knows better than you?


If Yun seriously thinks he'll get ahead of the game by
teaching beginners of any age to ski that way, however,
he's insane.

Why? your kid did it in two hours, didn't he?

My beginners will shred your beginners Yun.
My beginners will make your beginners look like fools.
Talk about learning long....

Bragging? Until you can duplicate these moves,
http://www.taomartialarts.com/ski/ski_v_is_tcs1.avi
you don't qualify.


IS

yunlong wrote:
foot2foot wrote:

"BssnRX" wrote in message

No, it is turning on the inside ski; that is, press the right ski

for

right turn and press the left ski for left turn.

You press on the right ski to turn right and the left ski to turn

left?

hmmm

Yah, Yun was fun, for a while, but his troll is showing now.


I'm no long "Absolutely brilliant" but a "troll" now?

Yup, "dangling some cheap shining thing in the depth of shallowness,
you're bound to get some arrogant [fish] bites."--Master Troll--


And to think I got so excited by the converstaiton that
I misspelled wordz.


Yes, you have, what so excited about? Because your narrow focus being
challenged?


Push on that foot to go that way
and that footto go that way

He claims he's talking about turning on the inside ski, not the
outside. I had an eight year old that insisted on doing this. I
didn't feel all that bad, he did make the goal of parallel within
two hours. I spent almost all last year doing this, trying to learn
to ski on only one ski. Of course, I was only doing it half the
time. There's nothing that says you can't, if you're thoroughly
crossed over. If not, you'll dust off the snow with your body.


Maybe the kid knows better than you?


If Yun seriously thinks he'll get ahead of the game by
teaching beginners of any age to ski that way, however,
he's insane.


Why? your kid did it in two hours, didn't he?


My beginners will shred your beginners Yun.
My beginners will make your beginners look like fools.
Talk about learning long....


Bragging? Until you can duplicate these moves,
http://www.taomartialarts.com/ski/ski_v_is_tcs1.avi
you don't qualify.


IS

Ooooh, got a real competition going on. The moves are truly beautiful,
but what will they get you when the going gets steep and gnarly. I can
do all those moves (actually there are only a couple of moves shown
here) and I don't even teach!

VtSkier

VtSkier wrote:

yunlong wrote:

foot2foot wrote:
[catfight snipped]
Ooooh, got a real competition going on. The moves are truly beautiful,
but what will they get you when the going gets steep and gnarly. I can
do all those moves (actually there are only a couple of moves shown
here) and I don't even teach!

I'll make the popcorn, you start selling tickets.

--
Mary Malmros
Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug.

yunlong wrote:

Norm wrote:
[snip]
Sure. If you did it that way. Have you ever actually skied Yun?


You mean flat-boarding? Yes.
http://www.taomartialarts.com/ski/ski_v_is_tcs1.avi

IIRC, I saw Jean-Claude Killy do something very much like that on a TV
special, from Sun Valley I think it was, sometime in the way back when.
He managed to do it without looking like "Rivendell on skis", though.

--
Mary Malmros
Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug.

Mary Malmros wrote:
VtSkier wrote:
yunlong wrote:
foot2foot wrote:

[catfight snipped]

Ooooh, got a real competition going on. The moves are truly beautiful,
but what will they get you when the going gets steep and gnarly. I can
do all those moves (actually there are only a couple of moves shown
here) and I don't even teach!


I'll make the popcorn, you start selling tickets.

I'll wager 50 quatloos on foot2foot. Any takers?

--
// Walt
//
// There is no Volkl Conspiracy

"VtSkier" wrote in message
...
yunlong wrote:
foot2foot wrote:
[snip]

Bragging? Until you can duplicate these moves,
http://www.taomartialarts.com/ski/ski_v_is_tcs1.avi
you don't qualify.

snip

WOW! of course, I can do that.... just a matter or controlling the edges.

Foot! did you notice that his weight was on the OUTSIDE ski???? Check out
what ski most of the spray comes from on the first turn... guess you were
RIGHT! And, for the record, that uphill / downhill ski crap was confusing
as hell when I learned too!

interesting, eh Yun?

- Steve

VtSkier wrote:
yunlong wrote:
foot2foot wrote:
......
Bragging? Until you can duplicate these moves,
http://www.taomartialarts.com/ski/ski_v_is_tcs1.avi
you don't qualify.


IS

Ooooh, got a real competition going on. The moves are truly
beautiful,

Thanks,

but what will they get you when the going gets steep and gnarly.

What do you think?

I can do all those moves (actually there are only a couple of moves
shown
here)

Yah, that's only a beginning.

and I don't even teach!

VtSkier
Do you by chance use to have a handle by "Richard Walsh"?


IS

Steve FZ1 wrote:
"VtSkier" wrote in message
...
yunlong wrote:
foot2foot wrote:
[snip]

Bragging? Until you can duplicate these moves,
http://www.taomartialarts.com/ski/ski_v_is_tcs1.avi
you don't qualify.

snip

WOW! of course, I can do that.... just a matter or controlling the
edges.

Of course you do...


Foot! did you notice that his weight was on the OUTSIDE ski????

You should check the frame before the spray began,

Check out
what ski most of the spray comes from on the first turn...

and I don't ignore other valid skiing techniques either.

Given the appearance of spray, care to guess how fast the skier was
traveling before he broke?

guess you were
RIGHT! And, for the record, that uphill / downhill ski crap was
confusing
as hell when I learned too!

Lack of intelligent?

interesting, eh Yun?

Yes,

Amusing,
IS


- Steve

yunlong wrote:
VtSkier wrote:

yunlong wrote:

foot2foot wrote:

.....

Bragging? Until you can duplicate these moves,
http://www.taomartialarts.com/ski/ski_v_is_tcs1.avi
you don't qualify.


IS


Ooooh, got a real competition going on. The moves are truly

beautiful,

Thanks,


but what will they get you when the going gets steep and gnarly.


What do you think?

I'm thinking you might get hung up on that outside edge. Especially if
it's a little icy, as it is here a lot.


I can do all those moves (actually there are only a couple of moves

shown

here)


Yah, that's only a beginning.


and I don't even teach!

VtSkier

Do you by chance use to have a handle by "Richard Walsh"?


IS

Yeah, but I'm trying to keep the Spammers from getting my address.