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Old October 20th 10, 07:04 PM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
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On Oct 20, 5:39*pm, pigo wrote:

I'll have to look up those skis. I don't really know what you are
talking about. Are they the ones with both ends turned up?


Look up Rossignol S7:s and reviews, both ends are tapered and turned
up. Funky-looking things.
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Old October 20th 10, 07:17 PM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
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On Oct 20, 5:59*pm, lal_truckee wrote:
On 10/20/10 8:18 AM, Evojeesus wrote:


Well, if
people have trouble dealing with other people's tracks in powder they
should consider investing in modern rockered powder skis


Or just learn how to ski. Dancing in the chop is fun. Last year I used
15 year old Snow Rangers I found leaning on a wall here in Truckee.
Excellent skis for chop and powder (and junk and cement.)


I can ski, but having to steer the stiff normal-camber ski through
crappy variable snow is goddamned hard work! I've tried rockered skis
and with those I can just coast through the turn since the rockered
parts of the ski are already bent in the right direction - I can
confidently ski a lot faster - JIIIHHAA!! And for the record, I'll
never stop hip-angulating. I urge everyone to try these things before
condemning them, they make everyone a better skier no matter what's
the starting level.
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Old October 20th 10, 08:41 PM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
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On 10/20/2010 12:53 PM, snowbender wrote:
On Oct 20, 3:17 am, wrote:
http://www.tetonat.com/2009/07/is-sk...rocker-tips-sk...


The answer is no.

Nevertheless, new way for powder skiing, try teleboarding,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-HnaOGRM1Y

snowbender


If there were to be any form of snowboarding I
might try, this would be it. I like the stance
looking down the hill, the shape to the board and
THE USE OF POLES.

I don't care for what looks like there would be
some lesser amount of edge available than with
my two skis. and then...

a) I've been aware of teleboards since about 1998.

b) That guy stole my jacket. See other pics you took.

It might be really neat for powder and RealSnow(tm).
I also like the fairly narrow width of the board.
These things are so unlike monoskis which are
usually tapered from shovel to tail with little
or now side cut. The teleboards are turned up at
both ends and have a fair amount of sidecut.

Vt
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Old October 21st 10, 12:24 AM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
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snowbender wrote:
On Oct 20, 3:17 am, Evojeesus wrote:
http://www.tetonat.com/2009/07/is-sk...rocker-tips-sk...


The answer is no.

Nevertheless, new way for powder skiing, try teleboarding,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-HnaOGRM1Y


I don't see any powder. Please show us a video of this rig in bottomless powder.


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Old October 21st 10, 01:22 PM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
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On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 03:17:42 -0700 (PDT), Evojeesus
wrote:

http://www.tetonat.com/2009/07/is-sk...skis-cheating/

I don't think so, golf equipment continues to evolve allowing poorer
players to become longer hitters, however IMHO equipment advances
will not compensate for the lack of skill
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Old October 21st 10, 03:09 PM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
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On Oct 21, 7:22*am, Dick G wrote:
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 03:17:42 -0700 (PDT), Evojeesus

wrote:
http://www.tetonat.com/2009/07/is-sk...rocker-tips-sk...


I don't think so, golf equipment continues to evolve allowing poorer
players *to become longer hitters, however IMHO equipment advances
will not compensate for the lack of skill


For one thing "longer hitting" is only part of the equation. I've got
friends that can hit 280/300..............IN THE WRONG DIRECTION !!!
I'm much better off at 250 in the fairway. The other thing is that the
improvements in golf work throughout the curve. As those at the lower
end of the scale get better, so do those at the upper end.

Not so for skiing. It actually gets worse for those of us at the upper
ability levels. The "scary" places a few of us used to go and get to
ourselves are now packed with the "less qualified". Places I used to
count on for fresh snow are now crowded with sitters and side slippers
that have no idea.
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Old October 21st 10, 03:18 PM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
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On Oct 20, 1:41 pm, VtSkier wrote:
On 10/20/2010 12:53 PM, snowbender wrote:

On Oct 20, 3:17 am, wrote:
http://www.tetonat.com/2009/07/is-sk...rocker-tips-sk...


The answer is no.


Nevertheless, new way for powder skiing, try teleboarding,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-HnaOGRM1Y


snowbender


If there were to be any form of snowboarding I
might try, this would be it. I like the stance
looking down the hill, the shape to the board and
THE USE OF POLES.


Actually, we were talking about doing it without poles; but for now
poles have saved the day.

I don't care for what looks like there would be
some lesser amount of edge available than with
my two skis. and then...


Lesser edge means lesser hookups; this thing actually does
Flatboarding/tm.

a) I've been aware of teleboards since about 1998.


I have used that technique earlier than that, but only aware of it
when my friend showed up with ONE ski,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QTwA-rmAFE

b) That guy stole my jacket. See other pics you took.


The guy is actually she, a Heavenly local, and a ski fanatic; she
plays more than ten different kind of sliding devices on and off the
snow. She has actually made a pair of rocker skis out of the rocker
runners of "double deckers" herself when the rocker skis just came off
the market.

It might be really neat for powder and RealSnow(tm).
I also like the fairly narrow width of the board.
These things are so unlike monoskis which are
usually tapered from shovel to tail with little
or now side cut. The teleboards are turned up at
both ends and have a fair amount of sidecut.


Hers is actually only an oversized ski; the marketed teleboards are
normally wider. It looks fun; if I were not at my age I would actually
get one to play it. The spirit of Taichi Skiing is to pursue skiing
with the "simplest mean/technique/device," and I think for skiing
there's nothing simpler than teleboarding setup any more. To me, that
is an "ultimate" skiing.

snowbender

Vt

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Old October 21st 10, 03:20 PM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
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On Oct 20, 5:24 pm, "Bob F" wrote:
snowbender wrote:
On Oct 20, 3:17 am, Evojeesus wrote:
http://www.tetonat.com/2009/07/is-sk...rocker-tips-sk...


The answer is no.


Nevertheless, new way for powder skiing, try teleboarding,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-HnaOGRM1Y


I don't see any powder. Please show us a video of this rig in bottomless powder.


Well, it is actually a water skiing technique; if it works on water,
it'd work in powder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diKD08dqj0I

and more,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in1c6bB4b5M

snowbender
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Old October 21st 10, 03:54 PM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
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On Oct 21, 8:09*am, pigo wrote:
On Oct 21, 7:22*am, Dick G wrote:

On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 03:17:42 -0700 (PDT), Evojeesus


wrote:
http://www.tetonat.com/2009/07/is-sk...rocker-tips-sk....


I don't think so, golf equipment continues to evolve allowing poorer
players *to become longer hitters, however IMHO equipment advances
will not compensate for the lack of skill


For one thing "longer hitting" is only part of the equation. I've got
friends that can hit 280/300..............IN THE WRONG DIRECTION !!!
I'm much better off at 250 in the fairway. The other thing is that the
improvements in golf work throughout the curve. As those at the lower
end of the scale get better, so do those at the upper end.

Not so for skiing. It actually gets worse for those of us at the upper
ability levels. The "scary" places a few of us used to go and get to
ourselves are now packed with the "less qualified". Places I used to
count on for fresh snow are now crowded with sitters and side slippers
that have no idea.


Ah, the arrogance of Brain Fried Bob Thompson, which shows his
ridiculous sense of entitlement. No wonder he skis at Alta, where
assholes who believe they own the mountain congregate in large
numbers. There is a reason Alta is famed far and wide as the home of
the rudest locals in the skiing world....and Bob Thompson proves the
theory.
More and more people can enjoy what Tea Party Bob thinks is his
private stash, and that is a bad thing? Not for the rest of us. Only
for this self centered, arrogant ppppuuuussssyyyy.
One thing for sure. The Cabin at Deer Valley is the "scary" place for
this coward. Not man enough to show up two years in a row......
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Old October 21st 10, 05:12 PM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
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On 10/21/2010 11:18 AM, snowbender wrote:
On Oct 20, 1:41 pm, wrote:
On 10/20/2010 12:53 PM, snowbender wrote:

On Oct 20, 3:17 am, wrote:
http://www.tetonat.com/2009/07/is-sk...rocker-tips-sk...


The answer is no.


Nevertheless, new way for powder skiing, try teleboarding,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-HnaOGRM1Y


snowbender


If there were to be any form of snowboarding I
might try, this would be it. I like the stance
looking down the hill, the shape to the board and
THE USE OF POLES.


Actually, we were talking about doing it without poles; but for now
poles have saved the day.


I bet.


I don't care for what looks like there would be
some lesser amount of edge available than with
my two skis. and then...


Lesser edge means lesser hookups; this thing actually does
Flatboarding/tm.


Lesser edge means less control on EasternFirm(tm)

Which is why I said I might try it on RealSnow(tm)

Tell you what, for EasternFirm(tm) I'm going to be
on my edges or on my ass.


a) I've been aware of teleboards since about 1998.


I have used that technique earlier than that, but only aware of it
when my friend showed up with ONE ski,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QTwA-rmAFE

b) That guy stole my jacket. See other pics you took.


The guy is actually she, a Heavenly local, and a ski fanatic; she
plays more than ten different kind of sliding devices on and off the
snow. She has actually made a pair of rocker skis out of the rocker
runners of "double deckers" herself when the rocker skis just came off
the market.


Okay, SHE stole my jacket.


It might be really neat for powder and RealSnow(tm).
I also like the fairly narrow width of the board.
These things are so unlike monoskis which are
usually tapered from shovel to tail with little
or now side cut. The teleboards are turned up at
both ends and have a fair amount of sidecut.


Hers is actually only an oversized ski; the marketed teleboards are
normally wider. It looks fun; if I were not at my age I would actually
get one to play it. The spirit of Taichi Skiing is to pursue skiing
with the "simplest mean/technique/device," and I think for skiing
there's nothing simpler than teleboarding setup any more. To me, that
is an "ultimate" skiing.


The marketed teleboards that I've seen look almost
exactly like what she is on, much narrower than
conventional snowboards, and remember, when I first
saw this, REALLY WIDE skis weren't available (1998).


snowbender

Vt


 




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