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Old February 26th 08, 02:37 PM posted to rec.skiing.resorts.europe,uk.rec.motorcycles
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On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:43:13 -0800 (PST), in
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On Feb 26, 1:32*pm, Ace wrote:


Why would you think that the older, longer skis would be 'faster' than
newer ones?


It's a purely empirical observation of straight line veloicity. They
are not only long, but very narrow and 'unwaisted' by modern
standards.


They're still likely to have a greater surface area, unless you're
comparing with fat off-piste skis.

Perhaps that's the answer. Also, I used to have them
serviced before each trip. Are hire skis always as 'slippy' as they
could be?


IME waxing skis makes them faster for about half a day until it all
wears off. Rental skis tend to be serviced fresh for each renter, so
will certainly not suffer in that respect.

Even more likely, perhaps more stable in a straight line thus
encouraging higher speed?


*ding*

Or alternatively - allowing faster speeds with the skis flat on the
snow with less chance of catching an edge. Modern teaching techniques
would emphasise that you're _always_ on one edge or the other, such
that this wouldn't be an issue.

Or to get right down to it - I was faster
when I used to ski regularly on them.

Do they use "carvers" for straight line speed records?


No, they tend to use very long, almost completely straight skis. No
more comparable to normal skis than those used for ski-jumping.

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Old February 26th 08, 02:47 PM posted to rec.skiing.resorts.europe,uk.rec.motorcycles
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Ace wrote:

No, they tend to use very long, almost completely straight skis.

^^^^^^
*boggle*

Aren't all skis 'completely straight' then?

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Old February 26th 08, 03:23 PM posted to rec.skiing.resorts.europe,uk.rec.motorcycles
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On 26 Feb, 08:07, Pete Fisher wrote:
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The skis themselves were only about 7 years old, but not carvers and
195mm long. The Atomics (about 178mm, IIRC) were interesting in that I
could do much, much tighter turns with them, easier. Nice.


I must admit that my outings at Tamworth and MK on modern kit, at half
term, made me realise that it is time to ditch the twenty year old
Nordica boots and 185 Dynastars. The last time I used them they were
hard work, but, it has to be said, exhilaratingly fast.

When I learned, you held your arm up high, and cranked your palm over
at 90 degrees, and the ski was supposed to fit snugly between your
palm and the ground. That was in the wooden ski and lace-up boots era,
mind.

As a student, nearly 30 years ago, I skied on 205mm skis.

Fond memory

Rossignol Dracs. Went like split **** down a slope, and very stable in
a straight line, but an absolute bugger to turn.

/fm

I was amused to find that these days the skis are supposed to reach as
high as your chin, or mouth, or nose, depending on experience and
size.

Looks like us having a trip to foreign parts next year.


I'm tempted to grab another week at Easter....
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Old February 26th 08, 03:26 PM posted to rec.skiing.resorts.europe,uk.rec.motorcycles
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Ace wrote:

On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:43:13 -0800 (PST), in


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Modern teaching techniques
would emphasise that you're _always_ on one edge or the other, such
that this wouldn't be an issue.

Fascinating. Because that is *exactly* how I found myself on these new
skis, last week, even when supposedly schussing in a straight line. It
improved stability enormously, and there was a marked tendency of the
tips to wash out one way or t'other if I didn't. Not like my old
planks at all.
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Old February 26th 08, 03:27 PM posted to rec.skiing.resorts.europe,uk.rec.motorcycles
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In article , Ace
writes
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:43:13 -0800 (PST), in
,
wrote:

On Feb 26, 1:32*pm, Ace wrote:


Why would you think that the older, longer skis would be 'faster' than
newer ones?


It's a purely empirical observation of straight line veloicity. They
are not only long, but very narrow and 'unwaisted' by modern
standards.


They're still likely to have a greater surface area, unless you're
comparing with fat off-piste skis.

Perhaps that's the answer. Also, I used to have them
serviced before each trip. Are hire skis always as 'slippy' as they
could be?


IME waxing skis makes them faster for about half a day until it all
wears off. Rental skis tend to be serviced fresh for each renter, so
will certainly not suffer in that respect.

Even more likely, perhaps more stable in a straight line thus
encouraging higher speed?


*ding*

Or alternatively - allowing faster speeds with the skis flat on the
snow with less chance of catching an edge. Modern teaching techniques
would emphasise that you're _always_ on one edge or the other, such
that this wouldn't be an issue.

Or to get right down to it - I was faster
when I used to ski regularly on them.

Do they use "carvers" for straight line speed records?


No, they tend to use very long, almost completely straight skis. No
more comparable to normal skis than those used for ski-jumping.

I sold off my old skis gear when I retired ?10? years ago so my
reference is old technology.
My 190 Atomic composites with a waisted area after the binding were
*very* fast down hill.
The Rossignols 160 were no where near as fast but mogul fields flat out
*no problem*.

I also had a little electric waxer to treat the skis and an electric
edger I bought in Freiburg im Breisgau. These made a big difference.
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Old February 26th 08, 03:46 PM posted to rec.skiing.resorts.europe,uk.rec.motorcycles
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TOG@Toil wrote:
Ace wrote:

On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:43:13 -0800 (PST), in


snip

Modern teaching techniques
would emphasise that you're _always_ on one edge or the other, such
that this wouldn't be an issue.

Fascinating. Because that is *exactly* how I found myself on these new
skis, last week, even when supposedly schussing in a straight line. It
improved stability enormously, and there was a marked tendency of the
tips to wash out one way or t'other if I didn't. Not like my old
planks at all.


Heh welcome to 1997!

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Old February 26th 08, 04:11 PM posted to rec.skiing.resorts.europe,uk.rec.motorcycles
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On 26 Feb 2008 14:47:50 GMT, in
, "CT"
wrote:

Ace wrote:

No, they tend to use very long, almost completely straight skis.

^^^^^^
*boggle*

Aren't all skis 'completely straight' then?


No, and they never have been. e.g.
http://www.salomonski.com/uk/on-pist...-men-skis.html. I take it
you've never skied?
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Old February 26th 08, 04:17 PM posted to rec.skiing.resorts.europe,uk.rec.motorcycles
CT
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Ace wrote:
On 26 Feb 2008 14:47:50 GMT, in
, "CT"
wrote:

Aren't all skis 'completely straight' then?


No, and they never have been. e.g.
http://www.salomonski.com/uk/on-pist...-men-skis.html.


ISWYM now.

I take it you've never skied?


Correct.

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Old February 26th 08, 04:34 PM posted to rec.skiing.resorts.europe,uk.rec.motorcycles
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Ace wrote:
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:35:05 -0000, in
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wrote:

Ace wrote:


Why would you think that the older, longer skis would be 'faster'
than newer ones?


This theory has always intrigued me too, especially as FIS
repeatedly make race ski minimum lengths longer and longer in an
attempt to slow competitors down for their safety.


To be fair, that's only true for Slalom races, where the shorter skis
allow much quicker turns, but at the expense of stability and control.


nope, length limits are even more strict in the faster disciplines as are
turn radii.


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Old February 26th 08, 04:45 PM posted to rec.skiing.resorts.europe,uk.rec.motorcycles
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In communiqué
,
"TOG@Toil" cast forth these pearls of
wisdom
On 26 Feb, 08:07, Pete Fisher wrote:
In communiqué 1icvsof.1j3iwu81ownitcN%totallydeadmail...@yahoo. co.uk,
The Older Gentleman cast forth these
pearls of wisdom



The skis themselves were only about 7 years old, but not carvers and
195mm long. The Atomics (about 178mm, IIRC) were interesting in that I
could do much, much tighter turns with them, easier. Nice.


I must admit that my outings at Tamworth and MK on modern kit, at half
term, made me realise that it is time to ditch the twenty year old
Nordica boots and 185 Dynastars. The last time I used them they were
hard work, but, it has to be said, exhilaratingly fast.

When I learned, you held your arm up high, and cranked your palm over
at 90 degrees, and the ski was supposed to fit snugly between your
palm and the ground. That was in the wooden ski and lace-up boots era,
mind.

As a student, nearly 30 years ago, I skied on 205mm skis.


Only twenty years for me (a late starter on getting remarried). TBF the
185s were always a tad too long for me really. I bought them used from
Snow+Rock on impulse after getting to a standard good enough to want to
ski regularly. Thought I would grow (skillwise) in to them.

As Ace and others have said, probably time to start again on modern kit.

Looks like us having a trip to foreign parts next year.


I'm tempted to grab another week at Easter....


Hmm, it is early this year isn't it. Our old skis are in the loft at the
chateau, plus SWMBO's Elan cross country skis. Wonder if there will be
enough snow left at Mont Dore to make it worth a day trip (a couple of
hours run)?

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