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Team NSR rocks! Kensington rules! and Tech Report
5 of the new Team NordicSkiRacer.com went RSing in our wonderful local
Kensington Metropark for a couple hours last Saturday. Mike Muha thoughtfully used his classic skis to keep a moderate pace and avoid an escalated provocation hammerfest. I hadn't skied there in decades. Mike says you can easily do 50km without repeating much trail. It's very pretty and safe, with plenty of rolling terrain and lots of mixed use. (Neat to see the bowhunters and squirrelhunters stepping out of the woods.) After 2 hours of relaxed skiing (my HR only rarely topped 190), we did videotaping, then repaired to a local Mexi bistro for tequila shots. Amazingly enough, there was an unused TV above our table that the staff let Mike plug is cam into so we got an instant, fine video display. Also fortuitously, Mike had footage of John Ahlberg's clinic on his tape, so we watched that, too. The main thing we came up with was that all of us are bringing our boots almost together in V2, "gathering" ourselves, a la inline/speed skaters, while Ahlberg only brought his feet straight down below him, then set the ski down. Even as I practiced in the parking lot in trying not to bring my feet together, I couldn't really see how to do it or really what the point is, but it was a big difference in how we were skiing compared to how he was. I've also been watching XCZONE's hot new DVD "Unlimited" and notice those hot skiers use Ahlberg's method, too---and not ours! (Are you watching yours?) Mike reports that quite a few new or beginner skiers are joining the club. Great news! One bike racer gal, new skater, showed up with some Mawre's and skied really nicely with lots of fitness and smoothness: but she didn't know how to V1! She had a nice V1A and V2, tho. So we all set to work helping her out with V1. I think we did! That was good fun, being helpful. See, we aren't just hammerheads here. She's going to be a tough racer on the circuit this winter! New skiers, that's where it's at, baby! Next Saturday we're having an inaugural Duathlon with a 5k trail run followed by 5k RSing! Same place, same time: 9am. (Start is on Island Lake Park side of system, I gather.) Yeehaw! I'm going, unless my wretched cold gets worse. -- Jeff Potter **** *Out Your Backdoor * http://www.outyourbackdoor.com publisher of outdoor/indoor do-it-yourself culture... ...offering "small world" views on bikes, bows, books, movies... ...rare books on ski, bike, boat culture, plus a Gulf Coast thriller about smalltown smuggling ... more radical novels coming up! ...original downloadable music ... and articles galore! plus national "Off the Beaten Path" travel forums! HOLY SMOKES! |
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Team NSR rocks! Kensington rules! and Tech Report
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii John (Aalberg) is a big fan of efficiency, and in clinics I've taken with him (one of the benefits of living in Utah), he emphasizes that bringing your feet back into center is movement that is not in the direction of travel, so is therefore wasted motion. This is especially the case going up hills, where you definitely don't want to lose any momentum by bringing your feet IN when you're struggling to get your body to go UP the hill. On flats, you can get away with extraneous motion, but you will (theoretically, anyway) pay for it with some lost speed, even if it doesn't seem like much. Chris Cline SLC UT Jeff Potter wrote: 5 of the new Team NordicSkiRacer.com went RSing in our wonderful local Kensington Metropark for a couple hours last Saturday. Mike Muha thoughtfully used his classic skis to keep a moderate pace and avoid an escalated provocation hammerfest. I hadn't skied there in decades. Mike says you can easily do 50km without repeating much trail. It's very pretty and safe, with plenty of rolling terrain and lots of mixed use. (Neat to see the bowhunters and squirrelhunters stepping out of the woods.) After 2 hours of relaxed skiing (my HR only rarely topped 190), we did videotaping, then repaired to a local Mexi bistro for tequila shots. Amazingly enough, there was an unused TV above our table that the staff let Mike plug is cam into so we got an instant, fine video display. Also fortuitously, Mike had footage of John Ahlberg's clinic on his tape, so we watched that, too. The main thing we came up with was that all of us are bringing our boots almost together in V2, "gathering" ourselves, a la inline/speed skaters, while Ahlberg only brought his feet straight down below him, then set the ski down. Even as I practiced in the parking lot in trying not to bring my feet together, I couldn't really see how to do it or really what the point is, but it was a big difference in how we were skiing compared to how he was. I've also been watching XCZONE's hot new DVD "Unlimited" and notice those hot skiers use Ahlberg's method, too---and not ours! (Are you watching yours?) Mike reports that quite a few new or beginner skiers are joining the club. Great news! One bike racer gal, new skater, showed up with some Mawre's and skied really nicely with lots of fitness and smoothness: but she didn't know how to V1! She had a nice V1A and V2, tho. So we all set to work helping her out with V1. I think we did! That was good fun, being helpful. See, we aren't just hammerheads here. She's going to be a tough racer on the circuit this winter! New skiers, that's where it's at, baby! Next Saturday we're having an inaugural Duathlon with a 5k trail run followed by 5k RSing! Same place, same time: 9am. (Start is on Island Lake Park side of system, I gather.) Yeehaw! I'm going, unless my wretched cold gets worse. -- Jeff Potter **** *Out Your Backdoor * http://www.outyourbackdoor.com publisher of outdoor/indoor do-it-yourself culture... ...offering "small world" views on bikes, bows, books, movies... ...rare books on ski, bike, boat culture, plus a Gulf Coast thriller about smalltown smuggling ... more radical novels coming up! ...original downloadable music ... and articles galore! plus national "Off the Beaten Path" travel forums! HOLY SMOKES! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1957712760-1065535695=:2555 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii DIVJohn (Aalberg) is a big fan of efficiency, and in clinics I've taken with him (one of the benefits of living in Utah), he emphasizes that bringing your feet back into center is movement that is not in the direction of travel, so is therefore wasted motion. This is especially the case going up hills, where you definitely don't want to lose any momentum by bringing your feet IN when you're struggling to get your body to go UP the hill. On flats, you can get away with extraneous motion, but you will (theoretically, anyway) pay for it with some lost speed, even if it doesn't seem like much./DIV DIV /DIV DIVChris Cline/DIV DIVSLC UT/DIV DIVBRBIJeff Potter >/I/B wrote:/DIV BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"5 of the new Team NordicSkiRacer.com went RSing in our wonderful localBRKensington Metropark for a couple hours last Saturday.BRBRMike Muha thoughtfully used his classic skis to keep a moderate pace andBRavoid an escalated provocation hammerfest.BRBRI hadn't skied there in decades. Mike says you can easily do 50kmBRwithout repeating much trail. It's very pretty and safe, with plenty ofBRrolling terrain and lots of mixed use. (Neat to see the bowhunters andBRsquirrelhunters stepping out of the woods.)BRBRAfter 2 hours of relaxed skiing (my HR only rarely topped 190), we didBRvideotaping, then repaired to a local Mexi bistro for tequila shots.BRAmazingly enough, there was an unused TV above our table that the staffBRlet Mike plug is cam into so we got an instant, fine video display. AlsoBRfortuitously, Mike had footage of John Ahlberg's clinic on h! is tape, soBRwe watched that, too.BRBRThe main thing we came up with was that all of us are bringing our bootsBRalmost together in V2, "gathering" ourselves, a la inline/speed skaters,BRwhile Ahlberg only brought his feet straight down below him, then setBRthe ski down. Even as I practiced in the parking lot in trying not toBRbring my feet together, I couldn't really see how to do it or reallyBRwhat the point is, but it was a big difference in how we were skiingBRcompared to how he was.BRBRI've also been watching XCZONE's hot new DVD "Unlimited" and noticeBRthose hot skiers use Ahlberg's method, too---and not ours! (Are youBRwatching yours?)BRBRMike reports that quite a few new or beginner skiers are joining theBRclub. Great news! One bike racer gal, new skater, showed up with someBRMawre's and skied really nicely with lots of fitness and smoothness: butBRshe didn't know how to V1! She had a nice V1A and V2, tho. So we all setBRto work helping h! er out with V1. I think we did! That was good fun,BRbeing helpful. See, we aren't just hammerheads here. She's going to be aBRtough racer on the circuit this winter! New skiers, that's where it'sBRat, baby!BRBRNext Saturday we're having an inaugural Duathlon with a 5k trail runBRfollowed by 5k RSing! Same place, same time: 9am. (Start is on IslandBRLake Park side of system, I gather.) Yeehaw!BRBRI'm going, unless my wretched cold gets worse.BRBR--BRBRJeff PotterBR****BR*Out Your Backdoor * http://www.outyourbackdoor.comBRpublisher of outdoor/indoor do-it-yourself culture...BR...offering "small world" views on bikes, bows, books, movies...BR...rare books on ski, bike, boat culture, plus a Gulf Coast thrillerBRabout smalltown smuggling ... more radical novels coming up!BR...original downloadable music ... and articles galore!BRplus national "Off the Beaten Path" travel forums! HOLY SMOKES!BRBRBRBRBRBR/BLOCKQUOTEphr SIZE=1 Do you Yahoo!?br a href="http://shopping.yahoo.com/?__yltc=s%3A150000443%2Cd%3A22708228%2Cslk%3Atext% 2Csec%3Amail"The New Yahoo! Shopping/a - with improved product search --0-1957712760-1065535695=:2555-- |
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Team NSR rocks! Kensington rules! and Tech Report
On the question of bringing your heels together or not, I don't see
that there's any energy used or loss of forward momentum if the leg simply swings inwards due to its own weight. But I doubt that the advice is to deliberately somehow hold the leg out so that the foot has no sideways motion at all. That seems awfully awkward for weight shift anyway. It seems to me (and looks like the pros do it) that in V2 and V2a with good weight shift, there's lots of time for that unweighted foot to swing almost all the way over, except maybe for a very fast cadence V2. On the other hand (and this is a mistake I used to make a lot), in V1 there's not enough time (unless it's being used where it's the wrong technique), so you see those guys and especially women in the tape from the Trondheim WC doing a good weight shift up very steep hills at high cadence with the free foot not swinging over very far. I'd certainly be interested in other opinions on this! Best, Peter |
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Team NSR rocks! Kensington rules! and Tech Report
Peter,
Perhaps this will clarify: Aalberg talked about how bad it is to land on your outside edge. The reason? It takes time to roll from the outside edge to the inside edge, time you could have used to push off the ski sooner. Instead, he said to land on the flat of the ski (on flats) and in the inside edge on uphills. In the uphills, landing on the inside edge allows you to immediately begin your skate push. This does not mean you should have your weight between your feet! You're still trying to balance on one ski, but this is less crtical on uphills. The Aalberg video I made that Jeff talks about above is at http://www.nordicskiracer.com/Traini...STJuneCamp.asp in the "Related Links" box. Highly recommended! (If only I could ski like that...) Mike () wrote in message ... On the question of bringing your heels together or not, I don't see that there's any energy used or loss of forward momentum if the leg simply swings inwards due to its own weight. But I doubt that the advice is to deliberately somehow hold the leg out so that the foot has no sideways motion at all. That seems awfully awkward for weight shift anyway. It seems to me (and looks like the pros do it) that in V2 and V2a with good weight shift, there's lots of time for that unweighted foot to swing almost all the way over, except maybe for a very fast cadence V2. On the other hand (and this is a mistake I used to make a lot), in V1 there's not enough time (unless it's being used where it's the wrong technique), so you see those guys and especially women in the tape from the Trondheim WC doing a good weight shift up very steep hills at high cadence with the free foot not swinging over very far. I'd certainly be interested in other opinions on this! Best, Peter |
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Team NSR rocks! Kensington rules! and Tech Report
Jeff Potter wrote in message ...
Next Saturday we're having an inaugural Duathlon with a 5k trail run followed by 5k RSing! Same place, same time: 9am. (Start is on Island Lake Park side of system, I gather.) Yeehaw! Jeff, the Duathlon is on SUNDAY at 9:00!! I mispoke during our video taping! (The calendar on the website shows the right day however)... Mike |
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