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Old October 14th 05, 06:17 AM
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"Booker C. Bense"
bbense+rec.skiing.backcountry.Oct.12.05@telemark. slac.stanford.edu wrote
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The only thing keeping you safe is your judgement
and it's incredibly easy to confuse luck with skill. There's a
high potential for self delusion in all this, particularly after
you've done it a while. Pilots have a handy phrase for this that
I can't google at the moment. Basically, you're most dangerous
when you have enough experience stop overestimating the risk,
but because of your false sense of expertise you begin
underestimating the risk. I believe that I fall squarely
in this category and I think it applies to 99% of the people
that would be categorized as "experienced" in any avalanche
survey.

_ Booker C. Bense



As a collector of "pilot's handy phrases" I would appreciate your posting
this phrase when you recall it. (Probably 10 minutes after you hit send)

The phrases that come to my mind are the classics,

"Good pilots use their superior judgment to keep them out of
situations where they might be required to demonstrate their superior
skill."

"Good judgment comes from experience, unfortunately, the experience
usually comes from bad judgment."


"Don't worry about whether you'll live or die; worry about how stupid
you'll look in the accident report."


TIA


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Old October 14th 05, 07:52 AM
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private wrote:
"Booker C. Bense"
bbense+rec.skiing.backcountry.Oct.12.05@telemark. slac.stanford.edu wrote
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The only thing keeping you safe is your judgement

and it's incredibly easy to confuse luck with skill. There's a
high potential for self delusion in all this, particularly after
you've done it a while. Pilots have a handy phrase for this that
I can't google at the moment. Basically, you're most dangerous
when you have enough experience stop overestimating the risk,
but because of your false sense of expertise you begin
underestimating the risk.


Reminds me of the accident on of the Kennedys had flying out at night to
Martha's Vineyard. Did anyone read about that? Flying on instruments you
can go into a 1G spin. Pilots have trouble believing the altimeter
ticking down and assume it is equipment malfunction. Often the first
they know they have made a bad decision is when they hit the ground at
200mph (or the wings rip off due to air speed).
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Old October 14th 05, 04:36 PM
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davidof wrote:
private wrote:
"Booker C. Bense"
bbense+rec.skiing.backcountry.Oct.12.05@telemark. slac.stanford.edu wrote


Pilots have a handy phrase for this that
I can't google at the moment. Basically, you're most dangerous
when you have enough experience stop overestimating the risk,
but because of your false sense of expertise you begin
underestimating the risk.


Reminds me of the accident on of the Kennedys had flying out at night to
Martha's Vineyard.


_ That's the context that I first heard it, it has do with the
number of flight hours and expertise. This is as close as I could
find.

"When you become confident, be three times as careful"

The number that seems to come up a lot is 200-500 hours. Which
would be about 30 -60 days of backcountry skiing.

_ Booker C. Bense

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Old October 15th 05, 03:11 AM
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In article ,
Booker C. Bense
bbense+rec.skiing.backcountry.Oct.14.05@telemark. slac.stanford.edu
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Pilots have a handy phrase for this that
I can't google at the moment. Basically, you're most dangerous


"Old pilots -- bold pilots -- no old, bold pilots" ??

(not exactly what you were after)
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Old October 16th 05, 03:16 AM
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On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:11:29 -0700, AES wrote:

In article ,
Booker C. Bense
bbense+rec.skiing.backcountry.Oct.14.05@telemark. slac.stanford.edu
wrote:

Pilots have a handy phrase for this that
I can't google at the moment. Basically, you're most dangerous


"Old pilots -- bold pilots -- no old, bold pilots" ??

(not exactly what you were after)


"There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are no old,
bold, pilots."

hth;

DCraig.
 




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