Metal Edge Touring Ski Maintenance

Just bought a pair of Fischer Crown Outbounds. Having never owned a
pair of metal edged skis of any type before, I was wondering if anyone
had a favorite website that deals with the ins and outs of taking care
of this type of ski (detuning, how the metal edges affect base waxing,
etc.). I'm not a novice when it comes to ski care.I own almost a dozen
pair of Nordic skis from racing skate to my old yellow Epoke 1000s.
I've Nordic skied for 30 years and am familiar with nordic wax from
Grundvax to Flourocarbon...but I don't know the first thing about
maintaining a metal edge ski. Help?

Thanks

George Cleveland

George Cleveland wrote:
Just bought a pair of Fischer Crown Outbounds. Having never owned a
pair of metal edged skis of any type before, I was wondering if anyone
had a favorite website that deals with the ins and outs of taking care
of this type of ski (detuning, how the metal edges affect base waxing,
etc.). I'm not a novice when it comes to ski care.I own almost a dozen
pair of Nordic skis from racing skate to my old yellow Epoke 1000s.
I've Nordic skied for 30 years and am familiar with nordic wax from
Grundvax to Flourocarbon...but I don't know the first thing about
maintaining a metal edge ski. Help?

Thanks

George Cleveland

George:

How is this for a start:

http://www.vikinglodge.com.au/SkiTuning.html

http://www.tognar.com/

Steve

On 10/8/04 11:46 PM, in article ,
"George Cleveland" wrote:

Just bought a pair of Fischer Crown Outbounds. Having never owned a
pair of metal edged skis of any type before, I was wondering if anyone
had a favorite website that deals with the ins and outs of taking care
of this type of ski (detuning, how the metal edges affect base waxing,
etc.). I'm not a novice when it comes to ski care.I own almost a dozen
pair of Nordic skis from racing skate to my old yellow Epoke 1000s.
I've Nordic skied for 30 years and am familiar with nordic wax from
Grundvax to Flourocarbon...but I don't know the first thing about
maintaining a metal edge ski. Help?

Glad you asked this, George. Need to get the XCDs I bought last year
cleaned up and ready to go. Dang, those edges rust up fast!

But the PA DHALO streams are open as long as the water is running, so I'm
not putting the Sage away yet :-)

Cheers!
Bill

I like a one-weight Orvis. But, what is DHALO?

Tommy T.

"William Claspy" wrote in message
...
On 10/8/04 11:46 PM, in article
,
"George Cleveland" wrote:

Just bought a pair of Fischer Crown Outbounds. Having never owned a
pair of metal edged skis of any type before, I was wondering if anyone
had a favorite website that deals with the ins and outs of taking care
of this type of ski (detuning, how the metal edges affect base waxing,
etc.). I'm not a novice when it comes to ski care.I own almost a dozen
pair of Nordic skis from racing skate to my old yellow Epoke 1000s.
I've Nordic skied for 30 years and am familiar with nordic wax from
Grundvax to Flourocarbon...but I don't know the first thing about
maintaining a metal edge ski. Help?

Glad you asked this, George. Need to get the XCDs I bought last year
cleaned up and ready to go. Dang, those edges rust up fast!

But the PA DHALO streams are open as long as the water is running, so I'm
not putting the Sage away yet :-)

Cheers!
Bill

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William Claspy wrote:
On 10/8/04 11:46 PM, in article ,
"George Cleveland" wrote:

Just bought a pair of Fischer Crown Outbounds. Having never owned a
pair of metal edged skis of any type before, I was wondering if anyone
had a favorite website that deals with the ins and outs of taking care
of this type of ski (detuning, how the metal edges affect base waxing,
etc.). I'm not a novice when it comes to ski care.I own almost a dozen
pair of Nordic skis from racing skate to my old yellow Epoke 1000s.
I've Nordic skied for 30 years and am familiar with nordic wax from
Grundvax to Flourocarbon...but I don't know the first thing about
maintaining a metal edge ski. Help?

Glad you asked this, George. Need to get the XCDs I bought last year
cleaned up and ready to go. Dang, those edges rust up fast!


_ Buy something from tognar just to get the catalog. It's one of
the best tutorials around. There are some tricks to dealing with
metal edged waxless skis that I've only picked up via
experience.

_ Basically, all you need to do with metal edged skis of this
type is keep the edges rust free and relatively sharp and square.
All the advanced tuning possible for alpine skis is kind of
pointless on a waxless ski base, although I recommend waxing
the "crown" part of the base and using a soft brush to remove
the excess wax once a season and you definitely want to wax
the non-crown part fairly frequently.

_ Sharpening theses skis with standard tools is kind of difficult
without also removing some of the waxless base as well. In
general the edges are much thinner than on a regular alpine ski
to save weight and this creates problems for maintaining them.

_ Get a red "soft stone" for polishing and burr removal. The best
tool I've found for regular sharpening of these small edges is a
small plastic tool with two small stones held at 90 degree
angle. It looks like a cheapo piece of junk, but in this case it
actually works pretty well. You can do it with a file, but it
requires much more care than usual and all the fancy file angling
tools don't work very well on such thin edges. The basic FK pocket
tuner works fairly well, since you can control how much of the
file actually touches the base. This is probably the best tool
for more serious work, but in general you want to sharpen these
edges much less frequently since you have much less material
to work with.

_ Detuning is not much of an issue with these skis in my
experience. They turn very well for skis of their type, but
it's kind of pointless to spend too much time fine tuning
them as in general your boots will be no where near stiff
enough to notice these fine details.

_ Booker C. Bense


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On 10/11/04 11:11 AM, in article 8oxad.1303$uN4.414@trndny05, "Tommy T."
wrote:

But, what is DHALO?

Delayed harvest, artificial lures only.

http://tinyurl.com/4zn3z

Bill


Tommy T.

"William Claspy" wrote in message
...
On 10/8/04 11:46 PM, in article
,
"George Cleveland" wrote:

Just bought a pair of Fischer Crown Outbounds. Having never owned a
pair of metal edged skis of any type before, I was wondering if anyone
had a favorite website that deals with the ins and outs of taking care
of this type of ski (detuning, how the metal edges affect base waxing,
etc.). I'm not a novice when it comes to ski care.I own almost a dozen
pair of Nordic skis from racing skate to my old yellow Epoke 1000s.
I've Nordic skied for 30 years and am familiar with nordic wax from
Grundvax to Flourocarbon...but I don't know the first thing about
maintaining a metal edge ski. Help?

Glad you asked this, George. Need to get the XCDs I bought last year
cleaned up and ready to go. Dang, those edges rust up fast!

But the PA DHALO streams are open as long as the water is running, so I'm
not putting the Sage away yet :-)

Cheers!
Bill

On 10/11/04 1:21 PM, in article , "Booker C.
Bense" bbense+rec.skiing.backcountry.Oct.11.04@telemark. slac.stanford.edu
wrote:

_ Buy something from tognar just to get the catalog. It's one of
the best tutorials around. There are some tricks to dealing with
metal edged waxless skis that I've only picked up via
experience.

snip

Thanks for the recommendations, Booker!

Bill

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:21:39 +0000 (UTC), Booker C. Bense
bbense+rec.skiing.backcountry.Oct.11.04@telemark. slac.stanford.edu
wrote:

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In article ,
William Claspy wrote:
On 10/8/04 11:46 PM, in article ,
"George Cleveland" wrote:

Just bought a pair of Fischer Crown Outbounds. Having never owned a
pair of metal edged skis of any type before, I was wondering if anyone
had a favorite website that deals with the ins and outs of taking care
of this type of ski (detuning, how the metal edges affect base waxing,
etc.). I'm not a novice when it comes to ski care.I own almost a dozen
pair of Nordic skis from racing skate to my old yellow Epoke 1000s.
I've Nordic skied for 30 years and am familiar with nordic wax from
Grundvax to Flourocarbon...but I don't know the first thing about
maintaining a metal edge ski. Help?

Glad you asked this, George. Need to get the XCDs I bought last year
cleaned up and ready to go. Dang, those edges rust up fast!


_ Buy something from tognar just to get the catalog. It's one of
the best tutorials around. There are some tricks to dealing with
metal edged waxless skis that I've only picked up via
experience.

_ Basically, all you need to do with metal edged skis of this
type is keep the edges rust free and relatively sharp and square.
All the advanced tuning possible for alpine skis is kind of
pointless on a waxless ski base, although I recommend waxing
the "crown" part of the base and using a soft brush to remove
the excess wax once a season and you definitely want to wax
the non-crown part fairly frequently.

_ Sharpening theses skis with standard tools is kind of difficult
without also removing some of the waxless base as well. In
general the edges are much thinner than on a regular alpine ski
to save weight and this creates problems for maintaining them.

_ Get a red "soft stone" for polishing and burr removal. The best
tool I've found for regular sharpening of these small edges is a
small plastic tool with two small stones held at 90 degree
angle. It looks like a cheapo piece of junk, but in this case it
actually works pretty well. You can do it with a file, but it
requires much more care than usual and all the fancy file angling
tools don't work very well on such thin edges. The basic FK pocket
tuner works fairly well, since you can control how much of the
file actually touches the base. This is probably the best tool
for more serious work, but in general you want to sharpen these
edges much less frequently since you have much less material
to work with.

_ Detuning is not much of an issue with these skis in my
experience. They turn very well for skis of their type, but
it's kind of pointless to spend too much time fine tuning
them as in general your boots will be no where near stiff
enough to notice these fine details.

_ Booker C. Bense




Excellent stuff Booker. Thank you very much.

g.c.