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Poles : Rossignol World Cup, who knows more?
Rossignol XC Fibre World Cup
Hi all, I was offered these poles by a shop I contacted. They were not on the site before I inquired about poles. Seems to be their top model of 4 carbon ones, above 4 alu ones. This is the first time I realize Rossignol HAS poles, and I was aware of the couple Fischer and Atomic ones. 90% carbon (some websites say 100%) 16mm diameter 55g/meter 320g/pair at 175cm according to one site (I need 175cm) Natural cork grips Racing baskets I have difficulty finding feedback on these poles. All I find is a couple shops that offered them ($199 discounted to $149 in the US, ?59-100 in Europe). Especially the European price seems competitive, if they're not total rubbish. If I get some positive feedback, I might get 2 pairs, one for snow, one for street/spare. It seems from the limited Google hits like Rossignol tried offering poles, didn't sell too well, and then dumped the poles on the market for me to find them cheap? Only poles I now own are old swix alulites (or whatever), not light. I rented cheap alu 170cm ones in Austria, wasn't too fond of those. Looking forward to some softer grips. Any feedback on these or other race poles would be greatly appreciated. - which more common poles to compare these to, for quality/performance? - any known issues with these particular poles? Side question : I wear shoe glove size 12, do your big handed guys prep your poles specially for that? Thanks a lot, J |
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Poles : Rossignol World Cup, who knows more?
On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 01:20:27 +0200, "Jan Gerrit Klok"
wrote: Rossignol XC Fibre World Cup Hi all, I was offered these poles by a shop I contacted. They were not on the site before I inquired about poles. Seems to be their top model of 4 carbon ones, above 4 alu ones. This is the first time I realize Rossignol HAS poles, and I was aware of the couple Fischer and Atomic ones. 90% carbon (some websites say 100%) 16mm diameter 55g/meter 320g/pair at 175cm according to one site (I need 175cm) Natural cork grips Racing baskets I'm not familiar with these poles, but for snow a big guy like you shouldn't use poles less than 100%CF. For road use, maybe they're OK. -- JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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Poles : Rossignol World Cup, who knows more?
"John Forrest Tomlinson" schreef in bericht ... On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 01:20:27 +0200, "Jan Gerrit Klok" wrote: I'm not familiar with these poles, but for snow a big guy like you shouldn't use poles less than 100%CF. For road use, maybe they're OK. Thanks John, But can't 100% carbon poles be made way too light also? And how did big guys get around before 100% carbon poles were made? I'm not sure I would load the poles as much as the other 185-190lb guy. I've never used my skinny arms for sports before (and I'm 30 now), likely they'll remain my weak point forever. And I'm not THAT much heavier than some World Cup racers, what do they use? I'l also need nicer road poles at some time, so I might take the gamble. |
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Poles : Rossignol World Cup, who knows more?
What matters is stiffness. The stiffer the better. Can you actually go
to the place and try out the poles and compare them side-by-side with top of the line Swix and Exels? You just plant the poles on the floor and lean on them. You can see by how much the shaft deflects from the vertcal axis. Cheap poles (like Swix Carbon, Exel Integra) can deflect by as much as an inch or even more. Such poles can break, and they are too much of an energy waste anyway. Stars don't deflect by more than a cm or a half, at least with my 80 kilos. I would not use anything less than a top or second-from-the top pole in any product line. You can get a good deal on 2nd or 3d year Swix Stars or (unused). Poles don't age. I think Exel is worse than Swix b/c spare parts are hard to get. |
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Poles : Rossignol World Cup, who knows more?
Thanks!
At well under ?70 shipped, I could no longer hold it, and ordered the poles up, in 172.5cm. My instructor said the 170's fit me well, but I kept missing the feel of the 175's I left at home (despite only having used them on really tall wheels). According to some tables, 172.5 is still a tad short for my 194cm body height. If these Rossignols are too flexy for me, hopefully I shorten them to give to a lady friend, or just sell them as-is. With some luck, the straps are really goods, and I had a decent deal on those and the baskets alone. Some shops list the Rossignol World Cups as $199 MSRP, and still charge $149 for them. Others ask ?100, reduced from ?115. "My" shop asks ?59. Seems it's whatever people give for them, like they were dumped on the market by Rossignol themselves. The shop selling them cheapest was a day's travel away. Second cheapest (?+40) a bit further still. In my own country, XC gear is only sold at or above MSRP, and without muh of a choice. Often very outdated also. Since I lack knowledge to back up my investments, I'm going for deals right now. When I know what I want and need, I'll have professionals select or even craft my poles, maybe even skis. So please don't mistake me for someone just into it for the cheap (I am Dutch though). Europe is a great place to be now, especially is your salary is paid in Euro's. The top end Salomon boots are SO cheap now. I thought the ?179 I paid for RS Carbons was awesome last winter, but the shop where I just ordered some discounted skis has them for ?159. S-Labs for ?189. Makes cycling products looks so overrated and overpriced. Happy summer season, J schreef in bericht oups.com... What matters is stiffness. The stiffer the better. Can you actually go to the place and try out the poles and compare them side-by-side with top of the line Swix and Exels? You just plant the poles on the floor and lean on them. You can see by how much the shaft deflects from the vertcal axis. Cheap poles (like Swix Carbon, Exel Integra) can deflect by as much as an inch or even more. Such poles can break, and they are too much of an energy waste anyway. Stars don't deflect by more than a cm or a half, at least with my 80 kilos. I would not use anything less than a top or second-from-the top pole in any product line. You can get a good deal on 2nd or 3d year Swix Stars or (unused). Poles don't age. I think Exel is worse than Swix b/c spare parts are hard to get. |
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OK, I got the poles in. Some of the finish was scraped off, likely by bad storage or manufacturing. They seem nicely made, and way light. 160+163g. I consider that light, at least.
I seem to remember the various Star poles all have different stiffness figures. Is the cheapest the stiffest, and the most expensive the lightest/flexiest? Poles come with M/L straps. I do wear XXL gloves, though MTB summer gloves seemed to suffice last winter which was just about freezing, with many tumblings in soft snow. I do manage to flex the poles under my weight, but have never experienced poles that did not flex. Are there "heavy duty" carbon poles out there, for racing clydesdales? For now I'm happy with the poles. Great grips and straps (though maybe not exactly Biathlon proof). I have to try them on the road some time. |
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Poles : Rossignol World Cup, who knows more?
the most expensive poles are the lightest and the stiffest. Stars
weigh ~50 g per meter if I am not mistaken. that's why I recommended going to a shop and actually probing different poles. |
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Poles : Rossignol World Cup, who knows more?
On Aug 8, 12:43 am, Jan Gerrit Klok
wrote: OK, I got the poles in. Some of the finish was scraped off, likely by bad storage or manufacturing. They seem nicely made, and way light. 160+163g. I consider that light, at least. I seem to remember the various Star poles all have different stiffness figures. Is the cheapest the stiffest, and the most expensive the lightest/flexiest? Poles come with M/L straps. I do wear XXL gloves, though MTB summer gloves seemed to suffice last winter which was just about freezing, with many tumblings in soft snow. I do manage to flex the poles under my weight, but have never experienced poles that did not flex. Are there "heavy duty" carbon poles out there, for racing clydesdales? For now I'm happy with the poles. Great grips and straps (though maybe not exactly Biathlon proof). I have to try them on the road some time. -- Jan Gerrit Klok Stiffness does not neccessarily equate to strength and durability. A stiff pole means that it does not deflect (laterally) as much as a more flexible pole. It does not mean that the stiffer pole has greater resistance to breaking if it is subjected to a lateral load while being compressed. It is also not neccessarily more resistant to fracture initiated by nicks and cuts. Citizen mass start races can be hard on poles. Keep in mind that even if you have the funds to replace poles every year, you may not have a Norwegian coach at the side of the trail ready to hand you a replacement pole. Edgar |
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