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On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:14:12 -0400, "32 degrees"
wrote: You certainly are one of the biking experts in the group John.... tell me more. What sort of team is Todd on? Are his results in the races you googled "excellent" or just "ok" ???? Way better than I could achieve. I'm guessing only a couple hundred American riders have his ability at the moment. Anytime someone can average over 23mph in a time trial I say WOW, but of course, I'm an average joe on a bike. For a 20 yr. old would you say he's possible tour de france material? Or is that a joke? Almost everyone who reaches that level has some earlier experience dominating other riders at the highest amateur or under-23 levels of the sport. So if he wins or places very highly in some of the *biggest* races his team competes in withing the next year or two, then *maybe* -- that is to say it hasn't been ruled out. But unless he demonstrates that sort of exceptional ability, no chance. The discussion of the guy who was the topic of the start of this thread is an example. I believe that within his first year of road racing Floyd Landis came up against the second-biggest US pro team in a bunch of races and was gettig top places behind their guys and beating everyone else, so he was invited onto their team within the first year or two of road racing. Huge talent shows immediately. JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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To bring this back to XC-skiing: I had lunch with Gunde Swan yesterday,
and in the course of our conversation he said that if he could have done one thing differently during his competitive years it would have been to train less (rest more). He said that when he was racing he trained ~900 hours / year. When he stopped racing his training hours dropped to about half that figure, and he said that in the autumn of the next year he had never felt stronger. (I asked him if he was tempted to race again; he said 'no.' By the way, he's still an incredibly fit guy.) And don't forget what overtraining did to Per Elofsson. Pretty well ended his career if you believe what you read about the reasons for his unexpectedly early retirement from the World Cup circuit. The bottom line is that the body needs time to recover from abuse received in training. There is definitely a point of diminishing returns in training. And, don't forget that road biking is much easier on the body than most of the things that XC skiers regularly do for training (e.g., trail running, moosehufing, rollerskiing, mountain biking, mountain scrambling, ...). -Everett |
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Way better than I could achieve. I'm guessing only a couple hundred American riders have his ability at the moment. He'll regularly place in the top 1-2-3 of any road bike race here in Michigan. Almost everyone who reaches that level has some earlier experience dominating other riders at the highest amateur or under-23 levels of the sport. So if he wins or places very highly in some of the *biggest* races his team competes in withing the next year or two, then *maybe* -- that is to say it hasn't been ruled out. But unless he demonstrates that sort of exceptional ability, no chance. Well, maybe if he keeps it up over the next 1-2-3 years he'll have a big chance in the U-23 level and eventually make the TDF. The discussion of the guy who was the topic of the start of this thread is an example. I believe that within his first year of road racing Floyd Landis came up against the second-biggest US pro team in a bunch of races and was gettig top places behind their guys and beating everyone else, so he was invited onto their team within the first year or two of road racing. Huge talent shows immediately. I actually saw Floyd win the NORBA jr. national title here in Michigan way back in .... '99?? BOB Roll was in the race series the same weekend !! Mtn biking bob roll -- go figure. He got dropped off the back, skipped the last lap of the race, called his team to deliver him beer as he sat watching the racers go by ... !!! JK **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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Everett -- IT would seem to me that XC skiing (on snow) would be even EASIER
on the body than biking???? Legs hurt? double pole ! Arms hurt - stride more !! Its like you are spreading out the pain over more of the body, leaving less pressure on one particular aspect of it .... Yes, running is bad news - and hard on the body - but hey, you can't seem to get a quicker, harder workout ! HOpe you got a picture of you and Gunde !? post it ! JK I'm still going with the thought that drugladengermanguy (I refuse to say his name) killed Per Eloffson's career. The one race he couldn't go with him at SLCity Oly's destroyed Per's mind and body in one short 5km or so. "Everett" wrote in message ups.com... To bring this back to XC-skiing: I had lunch with Gunde Swan yesterday, and in the course of our conversation he said that if he could have done one thing differently during his competitive years it would have been to train less (rest more). He said that when he was racing he trained ~900 hours / year. When he stopped racing his training hours dropped to about half that figure, and he said that in the autumn of the next year he had never felt stronger. (I asked him if he was tempted to race again; he said 'no.' By the way, he's still an incredibly fit guy.) And don't forget what overtraining did to Per Elofsson. Pretty well ended his career if you believe what you read about the reasons for his unexpectedly early retirement from the World Cup circuit. The bottom line is that the body needs time to recover from abuse received in training. There is definitely a point of diminishing returns in training. And, don't forget that road biking is much easier on the body than most of the things that XC skiers regularly do for training (e.g., trail running, moosehufing, rollerskiing, mountain biking, mountain scrambling, ...). -Everett |
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he rides for living - doesn't he? 40 hrs a week is what a 9-5 job gives
you. If we use the 40 hr analogy (40 is close to 50), if you ride 6 days a week, you can ride 3 hrs in the morning, eat, sleep, ride 4 hrs in the afternoon. I could handle that (I'd bored out of my skull though). |
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:14:12 -0400, "32 degrees" wrote: You certainly are one of the biking experts in the group John.... tell me more. What sort of team is Todd on? Are his results in the races you googled "excellent" or just "ok" ???? Way better than I could achieve. I'm guessing only a couple hundred American riders have his ability at the moment. Anytime someone can average over 23mph in a time trial I say WOW, but of course, I'm an average joe on a bike. For a 20 yr. old would you say he's possible tour de france material? Or is that a joke? Almost everyone who reaches that level has some earlier experience dominating other riders at the highest amateur or under-23 levels of the sport. So if he wins or places very highly in some of the *biggest* races his team competes in withing the next year or two, then *maybe* -- that is to say it hasn't been ruled out. But unless he demonstrates that sort of exceptional ability, no chance. The discussion of the guy who was the topic of the start of this thread is an example. I believe that within his first year of road racing Floyd Landis came up against the second-biggest US pro team in a bunch of races and was gettig top places behind their guys and beating everyone else, so he was invited onto their team within the first year or two of road racing. Huge talent shows immediately. He was also allegedly doing 50 hours a week training. If fate had somehow conspired to give you the oppurtunity to train 50 hours per week at his age, you too could have been doing well at a high level. There are so many factors in road racing that winning or placing high isn't so important, rather that they saw he was strong was what got their attention. Joseph |
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Everett wrote: To bring this back to XC-skiing: I had lunch with Gunde Swan yesterday, and in the course of our conversation he said that if he could have done one thing differently during his competitive years it would have been to train less (rest more). He said that when he was racing he trained ~900 hours / year. When he stopped racing his training hours dropped to about half that figure, and he said that in the autumn of the next year he had never felt stronger. (I asked him if he was tempted to race again; he said 'no.' By the way, he's still an incredibly fit guy.) And don't forget what overtraining did to Per Elofsson. Pretty well ended his career if you believe what you read about the reasons for his unexpectedly early retirement from the World Cup circuit. The bottom line is that the body needs time to recover from abuse received in training. There is definitely a point of diminishing returns in training. And, don't forget that road biking is much easier on the body than most of the things that XC skiers regularly do for training (e.g., trail running, moosehufing, rollerskiing, mountain biking, mountain scrambling, ...). I think it's all about intensity. From what I've heard, pros ride 80+% of the time at low intensity. Certainly much less intense than trail running, etc. One of the things about road biking is it is possible to fine tune the intensity level and keep it constant in a way that is difficult with other sports. If 80% of your training is at basically a walking pace, you have plenty of time to recover from the other hard 20%. Joseph |
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32 degrees wrote: Everett -- IT would seem to me that XC skiing (on snow) would be even EASIER on the body than biking???? Ona bike you can always just gear down and take it easy. Legs hurt? double pole ! Arms hurt - stride more !! Its like you are spreading out the pain over more of the body, leaving less pressure on one particular aspect of it .... Yes, running is bad news - and hard on the body - but hey, you can't seem to get a quicker, harder workout ! Skiing certainly can give you a quicker whole body workout and it lets you get the intensity level real high. One thing that may be different with road bike training and XC training is the length of the events. It seems that only a handful of XC races are as long as even just an average bike race (in terms of hours) which may mean that XC racers put more focus on high intensity in their training, and this trickles down to the more recreational racers as well.? How long is the average XC club race? Joseph HOpe you got a picture of you and Gunde !? post it ! JK I'm still going with the thought that drugladengermanguy (I refuse to say his name) killed Per Eloffson's career. The one race he couldn't go with him at SLCity Oly's destroyed Per's mind and body in one short 5km or so. "Everett" wrote in message ups.com... To bring this back to XC-skiing: I had lunch with Gunde Swan yesterday, and in the course of our conversation he said that if he could have done one thing differently during his competitive years it would have been to train less (rest more). He said that when he was racing he trained ~900 hours / year. When he stopped racing his training hours dropped to about half that figure, and he said that in the autumn of the next year he had never felt stronger. (I asked him if he was tempted to race again; he said 'no.' By the way, he's still an incredibly fit guy.) And don't forget what overtraining did to Per Elofsson. Pretty well ended his career if you believe what you read about the reasons for his unexpectedly early retirement from the World Cup circuit. The bottom line is that the body needs time to recover from abuse received in training. There is definitely a point of diminishing returns in training. And, don't forget that road biking is much easier on the body than most of the things that XC skiers regularly do for training (e.g., trail running, moosehufing, rollerskiing, mountain biking, mountain scrambling, ...). -Everett |
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32 degrees wrote:
HOpe you got a picture of you and Gunde !? post it ! Yep. A picture of Gunde, his wife Mari (she also skied in the '88 Olympics in Canmore), their kids, and Rob MacKenzie (a friend of Gunde's from work that Rob did as a volunteer on the XC events at the '88 Olympics in Canmore), and me is posted at http://www.orcascom.com/photopost/sh...=6059 &page=1 -Everett |
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On 23 Jul 2006 23:49:31 -0700, wrote:
He was also allegedly doing 50 hours a week training. For road racing or for his mountain biking. he did at least one 24-hour mountain bike race, and training for that then surely he'd do a few really big weeks. But tales like "training up to 50 ours a week" don't mean he was doing that regularly or that it helped his road racing. JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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