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Taichiskiing
"downhill" wrote in message ... Stuart wrote: "downhill" wrote in message sorry you start a right hand turn at 30 mph and in the middle of the turn your going to slip to the inside? show me You can't. But as a previous poster pointed out, you can slip the fronts of the skis downhill to the right while doing a left hand traverse and initiate a "windshield-wiper" turn. In this case a slip does occur in the direction of the turn, but technically, when the slip is performed, the centre of mass is to the left and not being deflected in a right hand turn. Just some parts of the skiers anatomy ie the skis are slipping right. Then, the actual initiation of the turn is made with a com shift to the right. You are slipping right, but not yet turning actually. My point being you declare an absolute and the first example it fails like everything cheese dip claims to be true. Slipping is letting the ski's slide 90 degrees to the normal path of travel Sliding in increasing the radius of your turn because you have NOT grip. Not sure what you are saying here, but this sounds like a skidded turn, as if you hit an icy patch and the turn went wider than you intended it to. EG In an airplane in a left hand turn, if you apply more left rudder or yaw than is necessary the turn will SKID, like a rear-wheel drive car doing a fishtail on ice. The ass-end will go wide to the right. If you apply less left rudder or even right rudder, the airplane's tail will SLIP or yaw to the inside of the turn. What I am saying it is bull**** if you think you can slide to inside of turn, slow speeds do not count as your not developing enough forces to really be in a turn airplane is not a proper example speed difference and aerodynamic forces make it a poor choice for an example vs a skier no contact patch, it is back to the snowmobile pushing the skier to the inside of the turn A rear wheel drive doing a fish tail on ice will go in the direction based on the type of differential in the car and the grip of the ice or surface. 90 percent of the time to get it to fish tail you need to do a dirt trick turn right to go left In a right hand turn if you get oversteer the car will go to the left never to the inside of the turn. I am talking prior to loosing it as it becomes unstable in a condition like spinning. If your racing on hard pack and you hit a unpacked section your radius will increase as there will be more compression in the surface And you understand that is a skid, then? I picked the airplane and car examples just to illustrate the basic differences between "skid" and "slip" Technically, no, it virtually impossible to slip to the inside of the turn unless speeds are low and other compensatory physics are taking place. I think that's what our friend probably does when he skis. |
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Taichiskiing
"taichiskiing" wrote in message ... On May 17, 5:40 am, downhill wrote: airplane is not a proper example speed difference and aerodynamic forces make it a poor choice for an example vs a skier no contact patch, it is back to the snowmobile pushing the skier to the inside of the turn Have you ever considered the snow as not unlike an "aerodynamic" force on the ski? The skis have edges like airplane wings. And, furthermore the skis can be banked like an airplane... Airplane demonstrates the turning forces in 3D, and skiing is in 2D. The phenomenon maybe appear differently, but the underline principle is the same. Sorry to stretch your bubble, but skiing exists in 4D also. The 2D is how your mind is assimilating it, like most "intermediate" level skiers. They treat the ski hill more or less like a skating rink, and adjust as much as they can to the slope using 2D techniques. I say "intermediate" with " marks because some 2D skiers can really stretch the boundaries to make then technically very good sliders, sometimes slightly dipping into the z axis or 3rd D for techniques without realizing it. These skiers look awesome until they get to the really steeps, then they typically fall apart, unlike a 3D-based technician. Remember inclination and angulation and edging? Carving" A 4D skier, I won't go there. Taichi probably would relate some, even though he's 2D and readily describes himself as. Most of the other guys in here, forget it altogether. |
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Taichiskiing
"taichiskiing" wrote in message ... On May 16, 11:15 am, "Stuart" wrote: "taichiskiing" wrote in message ... On May 16, 8:00 am, "Bob F" wrote: More like Scotty every day. Nothing to do Scott, that's just your denial. Please do tell us what all those lies were, so we know what to apologise for. All your denials, as well as all your bashings are lies. I did tell you that shameless lying is a bottomless pit, once you falling into it, you'd have no recourse for redemption. As Buddha said, "return (change previous behaviors), there's a safe shore." Good luck. Why go there? For the good of the board, some sanitizing is necessary sometimes. If more skiers speak up against their rants, we may get rip of these shameless net-bullies. why go there? IS |
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Taichiskiing
taichiskiing wrote:
On May 16, 11:15 am, "Stuart" wrote: "taichiskiing" wrote in message ... On May 16, 8:00 am, "Bob F" wrote: More like Scotty every day. Nothing to do Scott, that's just your denial. Please do tell us what all those lies were, so we know what to apologise for. All your denials, as well as all your bashings are lies. I did tell you that shameless lying is a bottomless pit, once you falling into it, you'd have no recourse for redemption. As Buddha said, "return (change previous behaviors), there's a safe shore." Good luck. Why go there? For the good of the board, some sanitizing is necessary sometimes. If more skiers speak up against their rants, we may get rip of these shameless net-bullies. We being IS and Scotty - the two wackos that obsess on proving how they are right about everything, and everyone else is wrong. |
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Taichiskiing
On May 17, 8:48 am, "Stuart" wrote:
"taichiskiing" wrote in message ... On May 17, 5:40 am, downhill wrote: airplane is not a proper example speed difference and aerodynamic forces make it a poor choice for an example vs a skier no contact patch, it is back to the snowmobile pushing the skier to the inside of the turn Have you ever considered the snow as not unlike an "aerodynamic" force on the ski? The skis have edges like airplane wings. And, furthermore the skis can be banked like an airplane... Yes, but not sure if he knew what a "wing" is. As skis glide over snow is like the wing glide over the air--the bottom pressure generates the lift; skis are the "wings" in skiing, nevertheless, not just the edges, imo. Airplane demonstrates the turning forces in 3D, and skiing is in 2D. The phenomenon maybe appear differently, but the underline principle is the same. Sorry to stretch your bubble, but skiing exists in 4D also. The 2D is how your mind is assimilating it, like most "intermediate" level skiers. They treat the ski hill more or less like a skating rink, and adjust as much as they can to the slope using 2D techniques. I say "intermediate" with " marks because some 2D skiers can really stretch the boundaries to make then technically very good sliders, sometimes slightly dipping into the z axis or 3rd D for techniques without realizing it. These skiers look awesome until they get to the really steeps, then they typically fall apart, unlike a 3D-based technician. Remember inclination and angulation and edging? Carving" Glad that you like to stretch your imagination too, I'll get to that in a moment, but let's consider the techniques on 2D first, as skis are only effective when they are on the ground. As I said it before, my definition of "carving" is the ski travels in a "tail follow tip" fashion, and in that sense, flatboarding carves as well. Flatboarding is based on the "Flatboarding Theory" that says "the pressure on the base, the ski goes straight, and the pressure on the edge, the ski turns to edging side. Now consider the two skis as one "board," or call it the "base of support," which is formed by the pressure of the feet, so more weight on one ski would have the same effect as edging on one ski, and the path of the "board" would turn to the weighed ski side with the "tail follow tip" fashion, and that is the basic of the Flatboarding carving. As the turn progressive, the slant of the slope changes, the edges may then come into play. As angulation sets up the tune of the turn, Flatboarding moves the body first, and "rides" the skis, so Flatboarding is 3D technique to begin with. It is those who don't realize that though skis move on 2D but skiers always move in 3D miss boat. A 4D skier, I won't go there. Taichi probably would relate some, even though he's 2D and readily describes himself as. Given Einstein's space-time continuum, we are living in 4D--3D space, 1D time--any skier lives differently? Taichi Skiing has 5D--3D space, 1D time, and 1D "total body automation," where mind may experience the "out of body" experience; 5D makes so-called "Unism." Most of the other guys in here, forget it altogether. Don't see much "most of the other guys in here," only gappers and their denials, not sure if they have anything to forget. IS |
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Taichiskiing
On May 17, 8:48 am, "Stuart" wrote:
"taichiskiing" wrote in message ... On May 16, 11:15 am, "Stuart" wrote: Why go there? For the good of the board, some sanitizing is necessary sometimes. If more skiers speak up against their rants, we may get rip of these shameless net-bullies. why go there? Why not? It is after all a skiers' newsgroup, if we skiers don't sanitize this place, who will? Leaving it to those shameless 'net- bullies, the result is obvious, totally garbage. People come here to read and to talk about skiing related subjects shouldn't have to feel being intimidated, "looked down," or ridiculed by these 'net-bullies, nor folks need to wade through their mindless "bickering" to get to the real stuff. If you're interested in talking about skiing, we can clean up this place. IS |
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Taichiskiing
On May 17, 2:58*pm, taichiskiing
wrote: On May 17, 8:48 am, "Stuart" wrote: "taichiskiing" wrote in message .... On May 16, 11:15 am, "Stuart" wrote: Why go there? For the good of the board, some sanitizing is necessary sometimes. If more skiers speak up against their rants, we may get rip of these shameless net-bullies. why go there? Why not? It is after all a skiers' newsgroup, if we skiers don't sanitize this place, who will? Leaving it to those shameless 'net- bullies, the result is obvious, totally garbage. People come here to read and to talk about skiing related subjects shouldn't have to feel being intimidated, "looked down," or ridiculed by these 'net-bullies, nor folks need to wade through their mindless "bickering" to get to the real stuff. If you're interested in talking about skiing, we can clean up this place. IS Good luck with that. |
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Taichiskiing
"taichiskiing" wrote in message ... On May 17, 8:48 am, "Stuart" wrote: "taichiskiing" wrote in message ... On May 16, 11:15 am, "Stuart" wrote: Why go there? For the good of the board, some sanitizing is necessary sometimes. If more skiers speak up against their rants, we may get rip of these shameless net-bullies. why go there? Why not? It is after all a skiers' newsgroup, if we skiers don't sanitize this place, who will? Leaving it to those shameless 'net- bullies, the result is obvious, totally garbage. People come here to read and to talk about skiing related subjects shouldn't have to feel being intimidated, "looked down," or ridiculed by these 'net-bullies, nor folks need to wade through their mindless "bickering" to get to the real stuff. If you're interested in talking about skiing, we can clean up this place. IS You can't sanitize the internet. Weeds get choked off by a healthy lawn, not by copious amounts of herbicide. By responding to their invective, you are feeding them. |
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Taichiskiing
On May 17, 2:58*pm, taichiskiing
wrote: On May 17, 8:48 am, "Stuart" wrote: "taichiskiing" wrote in message .... On May 16, 11:15 am, "Stuart" wrote: Why go there? For the good of the board, some sanitizing is necessary sometimes. If more skiers speak up against their rants, we may get rip of these shameless net-bullies. why go there? Why not? It is after all a skiers' newsgroup, if we skiers don't sanitize this place, who will? Leaving it to those shameless 'net- bullies, the result is obvious, totally garbage. People come here to read and to talk about skiing related subjects shouldn't have to feel being intimidated, "looked down," or ridiculed by these 'net-bullies, nor folks need to wade through their mindless "bickering" to get to the real stuff. If you're interested in talking about skiing, we can clean up this place. Itchy, you're dreaming. There is no possible way to get the assholes of rsa to stop being assholes. Period. God knows, I've tried. |
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Taichiskiing
On May 17, 3:12*pm, Richard Henry wrote:
On May 17, 2:58*pm, taichiskiing wrote: On May 17, 8:48 am, "Stuart" wrote: "taichiskiing" wrote in message .... On May 16, 11:15 am, "Stuart" wrote: Why go there? For the good of the board, some sanitizing is necessary sometimes. If more skiers speak up against their rants, we may get rip of these shameless net-bullies. why go there? Why not? It is after all a skiers' newsgroup, if we skiers don't sanitize this place, who will? Leaving it to those shameless 'net- bullies, the result is obvious, totally garbage. People come here to read and to talk about skiing related subjects shouldn't have to feel being intimidated, "looked down," or ridiculed by these 'net-bullies, nor folks need to wade through their mindless "bickering" to get to the real stuff. If you're interested in talking about skiing, we can clean up this place. IS Good luck with that.- How about you give him some help, you pathetic stalking net bully? Stop lying. Stop defaming. Stop stalking me in real life, stop lying to the cops, stop encouraging the mentally ill. All you have to do is stop being an asshole. Good luck with that. |
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