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Salomon Pilot Classic and Pilot 2 Classic Foot Pain
For years I've used the Salomon Profil Classic boots with no
discomfort. They are very comfortable. However I've tried the Pilot Classic several years ago and now the Pilot 2 classic boots yesterday on snow. Both of these newer soles kill my feet just behind the ball of the foot. It feels as if when flexing up on the ball of the foot there is great pressure building where the sole bends. Has anyone else had this experience? |
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Salomon Pilot Classic and Pilot 2 Classic Foot Pain
I wasn't aware of an earlier Pilot classic. I've been using the new
S-Lab classics recently and don't have a problem that way (but they are colder on the bottom than the other models). I'm not going to suggest a technique issue, but have you considered the possibility that a custom insole or good quality alpine one modified to your foot might help? Perhaps that's misses the boat entirely. In any case, alpine fitters have a lot of experience with feet and flex, and if you find a sharp one, they may have some ideas about your problem. I've had good luck with people trained by and using products made by these folks (ZapZ insoles - http://www.masterfitenterprises.com/zapz/, and InstaPrint customs - http://www.bootfitters.com/instaprint.htm). The company is in NY: http://www.masterfituniversity.com/contact.html. They may have a suggestion on who to see in your region. Their fitters are listed at http://www.bootfitters.com/FIND_SHOP.htm. rm "ADK Skier" wrote: For years I've used the Salomon Profil Classic boots with no discomfort. They are very comfortable. However I've tried the Pilot Classic several years ago and now the Pilot 2 classic boots yesterday on snow. Both of these newer soles kill my feet just behind the ball of the foot. It feels as if when flexing up on the ball of the foot there is great pressure building where the sole bends. Has anyone else had this experience? |
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Salomon Pilot Classic and Pilot 2 Classic Foot Pain
Ski shops have to just love masters skiers...
My Carbon classics were getting a little/lot beat up, and there was this boat I sold, and there were these S-Lab Pilot Classics... I agreed on the 9s. The sole just felt stiff. One of my high school skiers fit both pretty well, but she said the Carbons were like 'slippers'. I thought more like running shoes, but OK - whatever works for you. I've got a narrow heel coupled with a wider forefoot, so fitting boots is a pain in the foot, not to mention a little higher up the leg. In general, the carbons fit well, and the flex was great. The only issue was that they are a little cold. Well, a lot cold, but boot covers worked on really cool days. I tried the S-Labs last year at Hayward, and fell in love. Two main things I think I felt: More freedom on the return, and better control on downhills. We'll see about the latter when I ski really hard pack or glare ice for the first time. Trying to be a little conservative this time, I tried on the Atomic boots, the 9s and the S-Labs. The Atomic had too much volume, and I didn't like the zipper in front. Colors were pretty slick, though. The 9s (or whatever they call 'em this year) fit OK, a little loose, but I remember what a pain the velcro was on the cuff. I never did get it to stay on my old 9.11 classics. So I popped for the S-Labs. Just for fun, I did skate a bit in them the other day at Troll Hollow. I'd be hard pressed to do a long race in them, but I learned to skate in Salomon RS-90s, so it wasn't that tough. You do need pretty good ankles:-) I'll post more after I've skied in them for more than 3 hours. And see if I still feel the same. Marsh Camilo wrote: "ADK Skier" wrote: For years I've used the Salomon Profil Classic boots with no discomfort. They are very comfortable. However I've tried the Pilot Classic several years ago and now the Pilot 2 classic boots yesterday on snow. Both of these newer soles kill my feet just behind the ball of the foot. It feels as if when flexing up on the ball of the foot there is great pressure building where the sole bends. Has anyone else had this experience? wrote: I wasn't aware of an earlier Pilot classic. I've been using the new S-Lab classics recently ... I'm kind of confused by the OP. The "Pilot" classic boot just came out this year. Before that, there were two Salomon Profil boots - the Race 9 and the Carbon. But neither of those was a Pilot boot. To the point of the foot issue. For what it's worth, when I was shopping for classic boots a couple of years ago, I looked very hard at both Salomon offerings at the time - the Race 9 and the Carbon. The Race 9 (at the time yellow and black, switched later to grey) had a distinctly different sole than the Carbon. It was definitely stiffer, and for the same general fit, it did not flex the same way. It didn't feel good at all to me. I had to "bite the bullet" and buy the Carbon boot (wanted to stay with a Salomon sole). The point being, there was a distinctively different feel to the sole - one felt great, the other did not. I have no idea what the new Pilot boot offerings are - are there more than one, an S-Lab and some other? If that's the case, I'd recommend trying the other one. Also, I know that Atomic makes a very nice looking Pilot sole boot. That would be worth trying. I'd try other boots before messing with one that hurts. In my opinion, if the discomfort is caused by the way the sole flexes, I would be doubtful that a different insole or other easy fix would help. |
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Salomon Pilot Classic and Pilot 2 Classic Foot Pain
Marsh Jones wrote: Ski shops have to just love masters skiers... My Carbon classics were getting a little/lot beat up, and there was this boat I sold, and there were these S-Lab Pilot Classics... I agreed on the 9s. The sole just felt stiff. One of my high school skiers fit both pretty well, but she said the Carbons were like 'slippers'. I thought more like running shoes, but OK - whatever works for you. I've got a narrow heel coupled with a wider forefoot, so fitting boots is a pain in the foot, not to mention a little higher up the leg. In general, the carbons fit well, and the flex was great. The only issue was that they are a little cold. Well, a lot cold, but boot covers worked on really cool days. I tried the S-Labs last year at Hayward, and fell in love. Two main things I think I felt: More freedom on the return, and better control on downhills. We'll see about the latter when I ski really hard pack or glare ice for the first time. Trying to be a little conservative this time, I tried on the Atomic boots, the 9s and the S-Labs. The Atomic had too much volume, and I didn't like the zipper in front. Colors were pretty slick, though. The 9s (or whatever they call 'em this year) fit OK, a little loose, but I remember what a pain the velcro was on the cuff. I never did get it to stay on my old 9.11 classics. So I popped for the S-Labs. Just for fun, I did skate a bit in them the other day at Troll Hollow. I'd be hard pressed to do a long race in them, but I learned to skate in Salomon RS-90s, so it wasn't that tough. You do need pretty good ankles:-) I'll post more after I've skied in them for more than 3 hours. And see if I still feel the same. I'm curious about the new Pilot classic boots, I've heard good things about the boot and the system. But my Carbons are still in perfect condition and just fit my foot perfecly. Totally comfortable. I really like the last and hope that the S-Labs are close enough to give me a similar good fit. I never notice the cold factor because I'm just used to wearing boot covers (naturally cold feet). The black Boot Glove ones work great and look great with the silver boot 8-). Marsh Camilo wrote: "ADK Skier" wrote: For years I've used the Salomon Profil Classic boots with no discomfort. They are very comfortable. However I've tried the Pilot Classic several years ago and now the Pilot 2 classic boots yesterday on snow. Both of these newer soles kill my feet just behind the ball of the foot. It feels as if when flexing up on the ball of the foot there is great pressure building where the sole bends. Has anyone else had this experience? wrote: I wasn't aware of an earlier Pilot classic. I've been using the new S-Lab classics recently ... I'm kind of confused by the OP. The "Pilot" classic boot just came out this year. Before that, there were two Salomon Profil boots - the Race 9 and the Carbon. But neither of those was a Pilot boot. To the point of the foot issue. For what it's worth, when I was shopping for classic boots a couple of years ago, I looked very hard at both Salomon offerings at the time - the Race 9 and the Carbon. The Race 9 (at the time yellow and black, switched later to grey) had a distinctly different sole than the Carbon. It was definitely stiffer, and for the same general fit, it did not flex the same way. It didn't feel good at all to me. I had to "bite the bullet" and buy the Carbon boot (wanted to stay with a Salomon sole). The point being, there was a distinctively different feel to the sole - one felt great, the other did not. I have no idea what the new Pilot boot offerings are - are there more than one, an S-Lab and some other? If that's the case, I'd recommend trying the other one. Also, I know that Atomic makes a very nice looking Pilot sole boot. That would be worth trying. I'd try other boots before messing with one that hurts. In my opinion, if the discomfort is caused by the way the sole flexes, I would be doubtful that a different insole or other easy fix would help. |
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Salomon Pilot Classic and Pilot 2 Classic Foot Pain
Marsh Jones wrote: Ski shops have to just love masters skiers... My Carbon classics were getting a little/lot beat up, and there was this boat I sold, and there were these S-Lab Pilot Classics... I agreed on the 9s. The sole just felt stiff. One of my high school skiers fit both pretty well, but she said the Carbons were like 'slippers'. I thought more like running shoes, but OK - whatever works for you. I've got a narrow heel coupled with a wider forefoot, so fitting boots is a pain in the foot, not to mention a little higher up the leg. In general, the carbons fit well, and the flex was great. The only issue was that they are a little cold. Well, a lot cold, but boot covers worked on really cool days. I tried the S-Labs last year at Hayward, and fell in love. Two main things I think I felt: More freedom on the return, and better control on downhills. We'll see about the latter when I ski really hard pack or glare ice for the first time. Trying to be a little conservative this time, I tried on the Atomic boots, the 9s and the S-Labs. The Atomic had too much volume, and I didn't like the zipper in front. Colors were pretty slick, though. The 9s (or whatever they call 'em this year) fit OK, a little loose, but I remember what a pain the velcro was on the cuff. I never did get it to stay on my old 9.11 classics. So I popped for the S-Labs. Just for fun, I did skate a bit in them the other day at Troll Hollow. I'd be hard pressed to do a long race in them, but I learned to skate in Salomon RS-90s, so it wasn't that tough. You do need pretty good ankles:-) I'll post more after I've skied in them for more than 3 hours. And see if I still feel the same. Marsh Camilo wrote: "ADK Skier" wrote: For years I've used the Salomon Profil Classic boots with no discomfort. They are very comfortable. However I've tried the Pilot Classic several years ago and now the Pilot 2 classic boots yesterday on snow. Both of these newer soles kill my feet just behind the ball of the foot. It feels as if when flexing up on the ball of the foot there is great pressure building where the sole bends. Has anyone else had this experience? wrote: I wasn't aware of an earlier Pilot classic. I've been using the new S-Lab classics recently ... I'm kind of confused by the OP. The "Pilot" classic boot just came out this year. Before that, there were two Salomon Profil boots - the Race 9 and the Carbon. But neither of those was a Pilot boot. To the point of the foot issue. For what it's worth, when I was shopping for classic boots a couple of years ago, I looked very hard at both Salomon offerings at the time - the Race 9 and the Carbon. The Race 9 (at the time yellow and black, switched later to grey) had a distinctly different sole than the Carbon. It was definitely stiffer, and for the same general fit, it did not flex the same way. It didn't feel good at all to me. I had to "bite the bullet" and buy the Carbon boot (wanted to stay with a Salomon sole). The point being, there was a distinctively different feel to the sole - one felt great, the other did not. I have no idea what the new Pilot boot offerings are - are there more than one, an S-Lab and some other? If that's the case, I'd recommend trying the other one. Also, I know that Atomic makes a very nice looking Pilot sole boot. That would be worth trying. I'd try other boots before messing with one that hurts. In my opinion, if the discomfort is caused by the way the sole flexes, I would be doubtful that a different insole or other easy fix would help. |
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Salomon Pilot Classic and Pilot 2 Classic Foot Pain
Right what I meant to say was I tried the Bumblebee Classic 9 several
years ago. The new Pilot 2 boot I'm using is the Active model. The sole flexes easy enough but that distinct pressure just like the Classic 9 is still there. My only other option is to buy a pair of the silver combi boots which are softer than the previous two boots and don't kill my feet. I guess I'll have to eat the purchase of the Pilot Classic Active boots and two pairs of the new Pilot 2 bindings. Camilo wrote: Marsh Jones wrote: Ski shops have to just love masters skiers... My Carbon classics were getting a little/lot beat up, and there was this boat I sold, and there were these S-Lab Pilot Classics... I agreed on the 9s. The sole just felt stiff. One of my high school skiers fit both pretty well, but she said the Carbons were like 'slippers'. I thought more like running shoes, but OK - whatever works for you. I've got a narrow heel coupled with a wider forefoot, so fitting boots is a pain in the foot, not to mention a little higher up the leg. In general, the carbons fit well, and the flex was great. The only issue was that they are a little cold. Well, a lot cold, but boot covers worked on really cool days. I tried the S-Labs last year at Hayward, and fell in love. Two main things I think I felt: More freedom on the return, and better control on downhills. We'll see about the latter when I ski really hard pack or glare ice for the first time. Trying to be a little conservative this time, I tried on the Atomic boots, the 9s and the S-Labs. The Atomic had too much volume, and I didn't like the zipper in front. Colors were pretty slick, though. The 9s (or whatever they call 'em this year) fit OK, a little loose, but I remember what a pain the velcro was on the cuff. I never did get it to stay on my old 9.11 classics. So I popped for the S-Labs. Just for fun, I did skate a bit in them the other day at Troll Hollow. I'd be hard pressed to do a long race in them, but I learned to skate in Salomon RS-90s, so it wasn't that tough. You do need pretty good ankles:-) I'll post more after I've skied in them for more than 3 hours. And see if I still feel the same. Marsh Camilo wrote: "ADK Skier" wrote: For years I've used the Salomon Profil Classic boots with no discomfort. They are very comfortable. However I've tried the Pilot Classic several years ago and now the Pilot 2 classic boots yesterday on snow. Both of these newer soles kill my feet just behind the ball of the foot. It feels as if when flexing up on the ball of the foot there is great pressure building where the sole bends. Has anyone else had this experience? wrote: I wasn't aware of an earlier Pilot classic. I've been using the new S-Lab classics recently ... I'm kind of confused by the OP. The "Pilot" classic boot just came out this year. Before that, there were two Salomon Profil boots - the Race 9 and the Carbon. But neither of those was a Pilot boot. To the point of the foot issue. For what it's worth, when I was shopping for classic boots a couple of years ago, I looked very hard at both Salomon offerings at the time - the Race 9 and the Carbon. The Race 9 (at the time yellow and black, switched later to grey) had a distinctly different sole than the Carbon. It was definitely stiffer, and for the same general fit, it did not flex the same way. It didn't feel good at all to me. I had to "bite the bullet" and buy the Carbon boot (wanted to stay with a Salomon sole). The point being, there was a distinctively different feel to the sole - one felt great, the other did not. I have no idea what the new Pilot boot offerings are - are there more than one, an S-Lab and some other? If that's the case, I'd recommend trying the other one. Also, I know that Atomic makes a very nice looking Pilot sole boot. That would be worth trying. I'd try other boots before messing with one that hurts. In my opinion, if the discomfort is caused by the way the sole flexes, I would be doubtful that a different insole or other easy fix would help. |
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Salomon Pilot Classic and Pilot 2 Classic Foot Pain
All the models now use Pilot bindings, so I assume you've looked at
the lot. I was tempted by the combi, but it seemed a lot stiffer overall and maybe narrower than the previous ones. "ADK Skier" wrote: Right what I meant to say was I tried the Bumblebee Classic 9 several years ago. The new Pilot 2 boot I'm using is the Active model. The sole flexes easy enough but that distinct pressure just like the Classic 9 is still there. My only other option is to buy a pair of the silver combi boots which are softer than the previous two boots and don't kill my feet. I guess I'll have to eat the purchase of the Pilot Classic Active boots and two pairs of the new Pilot 2 bindings. |
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Salomon Pilot Classic and Pilot 2 Classic Foot Pain
The combi I'm describing is the silver model which works with the
Profil binding only. I think the combi you are talking about is the black model which works with Pilots. I know because I also have a pair of he later just for pursuit races. Yes they are quite stiff. Better yet I fixed the problem this morning on the Pilot Active Classic boots. Took my drimmel tool and grinded down the distinct hump inside the boot just back of where the ball of the foot would rest. wrote: All the models now use Pilot bindings, so I assume you've looked at the lot. I was tempted by the combi, but it seemed a lot stiffer overall and maybe narrower than the previous ones. "ADK Skier" wrote: Right what I meant to say was I tried the Bumblebee Classic 9 several years ago. The new Pilot 2 boot I'm using is the Active model. The sole flexes easy enough but that distinct pressure just like the Classic 9 is still there. My only other option is to buy a pair of the silver combi boots which are softer than the previous two boots and don't kill my feet. I guess I'll have to eat the purchase of the Pilot Classic Active boots and two pairs of the new Pilot 2 bindings. |
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Salomon Pilot Classic and Pilot 2 Classic Foot Pain
As mentioned earlier, you should check the Atomic classic boots - they
have the pilot sole. My experience is that there are real differences between brands. The Atomics look like excellent boots to me, and they might be better for your foot. I would certainly look at that option before I changed out a bunch of bindings. Good luck. ADK Skier wrote: The combi I'm describing is the silver model which works with the Profil binding only. I think the combi you are talking about is the black model which works with Pilots. I know because I also have a pair of he later just for pursuit races. Yes they are quite stiff. Better yet I fixed the problem this morning on the Pilot Active Classic boots. Took my drimmel tool and grinded down the distinct hump inside the boot just back of where the ball of the foot would rest. wrote: All the models now use Pilot bindings, so I assume you've looked at the lot. I was tempted by the combi, but it seemed a lot stiffer overall and maybe narrower than the previous ones. "ADK Skier" wrote: Right what I meant to say was I tried the Bumblebee Classic 9 several years ago. The new Pilot 2 boot I'm using is the Active model. The sole flexes easy enough but that distinct pressure just like the Classic 9 is still there. My only other option is to buy a pair of the silver combi boots which are softer than the previous two boots and don't kill my feet. I guess I'll have to eat the purchase of the Pilot Classic Active boots and two pairs of the new Pilot 2 bindings. |
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