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What's the secret to long glide with poles?
Heeding advice of the masters, I do at least one pole-less rollerski
session per weekend in addition to skiing with poles. Turns out, I actually enjoy pole-less much more - I don't get tired as quickly and my rythm and balance are way better without poles, especially when I have both of my hands behind my back. When I try to imitate poling, glide disappears, balance is all over the place and there's no rythm to speak of. Also, all of a sudden there's this creep towards the toilet seat posture. When I go out with poles, it doesn't feel as awful but still worse than when I keep my hands still. So: how do I learn to ski with poles? Just thought of another question: let's say I'm doing a fairly leisurely V2-alt on a flat surface. If I'm trying to maximize the glide, what are my arms supposed to do while I'm still gliding? I find myself in an awkward pause with my arms kind of hanging down and waiting before going into the next cycle. It doesn't seem right to stop the glide just to give my arms something to do. Ideas? Many thanks! |
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What's the secret to long glide with poles?
If you're trying to maximize the glide, which is a good exercise
but breaks the natural speed rhythm, your arms will be idle for a moment. On the poling side, they should have been brought forward, up high, readied for the next dp. On the free glide side they'll hang back extended naturally in dp glide position until they need to come forward in time with the next skate off and poling. This should all be pretty instinctive, which leads me to wonder if your no-pole imitation problem has to do with either timing and/or arm/hand placement when poling. The latter would be extending out too far, which could throw off the rhythm (delay the poling motion) and would definitely force the butt back (counterbalance). Rather than try to explain all this in detail blind, first take a look at some of the skate videos suggested in the recent thread, "Internet sources on skate technique." Gene Larry wrote: Heeding advice of the masters, I do at least one pole-less rollerski session per weekend in addition to skiing with poles. Turns out, I actually enjoy pole-less much more - I don't get tired as quickly and my rythm and balance are way better without poles, especially when I have both of my hands behind my back. When I try to imitate poling, glide disappears, balance is all over the place and there's no rythm to speak of. Also, all of a sudden there's this creep towards the toilet seat posture. When I go out with poles, it doesn't feel as awful but still worse than when I keep my hands still. So: how do I learn to ski with poles? Just thought of another question: let's say I'm doing a fairly leisurely V2-alt on a flat surface. If I'm trying to maximize the glide, what are my arms supposed to do while I'm still gliding? I find myself in an awkward pause with my arms kind of hanging down and waiting before going into the next cycle. It doesn't seem right to stop the glide just to give my arms something to do. Ideas? Many thanks! |
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What's the secret to long glide with poles?
Thanks Gene. I'll check those out.
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What's the secret to long glide with poles?
On Aug 6, 6:40 pm, Larry wrote:
Heeding advice of the masters, I do at least one pole-less rollerski session per weekend in addition to skiing with poles. Turns out, I actually enjoy pole-less much more - I don't get tired as quickly and my rythm and balance are way better without poles, especially when I have both of my hands behind my back. When I try to imitate poling, glide disappears, balance is all over the place and there's no rythm to speak of. Also, all of a sudden there's this creep towards the toilet seat posture. When I go out with poles, it doesn't feel as awful but still worse than when I keep my hands still. So: how do I learn to ski with poles? Just thought of another question: let's say I'm doing a fairly leisurely V2-alt on a flat surface. If I'm trying to maximize the glide, what are my arms supposed to do while I'm still gliding? I find myself in an awkward pause with my arms kind of hanging down and waiting before going into the next cycle. It doesn't seem right to stop the glide just to give my arms something to do. Ideas? Many thanks! When I practice (or when I used to practice) the glide with poles I just keep the poles under my arms. |
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What's the secret to long glide with poles?
On Aug 6, 7:40*pm, Larry wrote:
Heeding advice of the masters, I do at least one pole-less rollerski session per weekend in addition to skiing with poles. Turns out, I actually enjoy pole-less much more - I don't get tired as quickly and my rythm and balance are way better without poles, especially when I have both of my hands behind my back. When I try to imitate poling, glide disappears, balance is all over the place and there's no rythm to speak of. Also, all of a sudden there's this creep towards the toilet seat posture. When I go out with poles, it doesn't feel as awful but still worse than when I keep my hands still. So: how do I learn to ski with poles? Just thought of another question: let's say I'm doing a fairly leisurely V2-alt on a flat surface. If I'm trying to maximize the glide, what are my arms supposed to do while I'm still gliding? I find myself in an awkward pause with my arms kind of hanging down and waiting before going into the next cycle. It doesn't seem right to stop the glide just to give my arms something to do. Ideas? Many thanks! Hi Larry, Your questions just raise more questions in my mind. Your 'creep towards the toilet seat posture' makes me wonder if your poles are too long? Off the rollerskis, if they are up at or above your mouth, they may be too long, forcing your body position back as you plant them. In my limited experience, it is better (more powerful and balanced) to be able to get over the top of your poles, with a natural forward lean that emanates at the ankles, not the waist. Strive to have your arms do a natural pendulum swing in all of your gears, V1 V2 V2alternate. The timing and rhythm of your arm swing is tied directly to the timing and rhythm of your leg skate. The videos mentioned elsewhere will help you visualize this timing. That said, an exercise where you are trying to maximize your glide is great for balance. Then pull your poles into a tuck position under your upper arms. But of course maximizing long glide is not the most efficient way to ski, as long glide is a decelerating activity. A natural dynamic glide as your body repositions and reloads to power again is the most efficient way to ski. My thoughts anyway. |
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What's the secret to long glide with poles?
Here are some technique sites I have listed befo http://www.roberts-1.com/xcski/skate...n/v2/index.htm http://www.nordicskiracer.com/trainingtechnique.asp and these are technique videos I like: http://gear-west.stores.yahoo.net/newsiseofsk.html http://gear-west.stores.yahoo.net/uscrtefu.html http://gear-west.stores.yahoo.net/nosktedvd.html |
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What's the secret to long glide with poles?
Gunde raises some a good general point about pole length, tho I
think he missed that the question is actually about skiing poleless. I would be careful with xczone video he lists. These Canadians are die-hard proponents of the so-called "new skate," which represents a very North American idea about skate technique, and one that has not been adopted at the top levels of world cup skiing in Europe. Depending on your interest and finances, I'd recommend the Perfect Skating video with text: http://www.perfectskating.com/test/frameset.htm. It not only breaks down skate instruction and demonstration clearly, but also has lots of good exercises that can be done on snow or rollerskis. Gene Gunde wrote: Hi Larry, Your questions just raise more questions in my mind. Your 'creep towards the toilet seat posture' makes me wonder if your poles are too long? Off the rollerskis, if they are up at or above your mouth, they may be too long, forcing your body position back as you plant them. In my limited experience, it is better (more powerful and balanced) to be able to get over the top of your poles, with a natural forward lean that emanates at the ankles, not the waist. Strive to have your arms do a natural pendulum swing in all of your gears, V1 V2 V2alternate. The timing and rhythm of your arm swing is tied directly to the timing and rhythm of your leg skate. The videos mentioned elsewhere will help you visualize this timing. That said, an exercise where you are trying to maximize your glide is great for balance. Then pull your poles into a tuck position under your upper arms. But of course maximizing long glide is not the most efficient way to ski, as long glide is a decelerating activity. A natural dynamic glide as your body repositions and reloads to power again is the most efficient way to ski. My thoughts anyway. |
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What's the secret to long glide with poles?
On Aug 17, 12:41*pm, Gunde wrote:
Here are some technique sites I have listed befohttp://www.roberts-1.com/xcski/skate...gtechnique.asp and these are technique videos I like:http://gear-west.stores.yahoo.net/ne...nosktedvd.html Hey Gunde, you seem like a knowledgable person - what would you recommend as a video training tool for a CLASSIC skier? I suppose I am "intermediate" - I've been skiing a long time, but am almost completely self-taught. I am now doing marathons, and want to make sure my form is efficient. |
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What's the secret to long glide with poles?
On Aug 24, 5:36*pm, Jim Whalen NULL wrote:
On Aug 17, 12:41*pm, Gunde wrote: Here are some technique sites I have listed befohttp://www.roberts-1..com/xcski/skat...mhttp://www.no... and these are technique videos I like:http://gear-west.stores.yahoo.net/ne...//gear-west.st... Hey Gunde, you seem like a knowledgable person - what would you recommend as a video training tool for a CLASSIC skier? I suppose I am "intermediate" - I've been skiing a long time, but am almost completely self-taught. *I am now doing marathons, and want to make sure my form is efficient. Jim, Thus is the nature of internet chat groups that a 52yr old mediocre skier can seem knowledgable! I too am almost completely self-taught. I have grown to love classic technique, but am still a long way from perfection. In the pursuit of self-teaching, I like these videos: Lee Borowski's: http://gear-west.stores.yahoo.net/newsiseofst.html and the US ski team's: http://gear-west.stores.yahoo.net/uscrtefu.html Maybe others can chime in. |
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