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Old February 25th 08, 05:16 AM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
Camilo
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Just got a new toy: Garmin Forerunner 305. I went on one of my
favorite skis and came up with the following data.

Distance: 25.5.km
Total ascent: 885 m (2,900 ft?)

Of course total descent was the same since it was a loop.

How does this compare to routes you guys ski on? Would you consider
this a tough 25 K, average or what?

Just curious, since I've never measured this before.

My average HR was 73% of max (measured max, not calculated). This ski
was fairly typical of what I call my LSD, but I often think I'm going
a little too hard.
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Old February 25th 08, 06:58 PM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
Terje Mathisen
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Camilo wrote:
Just got a new toy: Garmin Forerunner 305. I went on one of my
favorite skis and came up with the following data.

Distance: 25.5.km
Total ascent: 885 m (2,900 ft?)


If the ascent is spread over just a few large climbs, then GPS data will
be pretty good.

For rolling terrain, with lots of small (2-10 m) ups and downs otoh, you
really need a gps with barometer assistance to get good measurements.

Of course total descent was the same since it was a loop.

How does this compare to routes you guys ski on? Would you consider
this a tough 25 K, average or what?

Just curious, since I've never measured this before.

My average HR was 73% of max (measured max, not calculated). This ski
was fairly typical of what I call my LSD, but I often think I'm going
a little too hard.


Heh!

It seems like most of my training, except for longer ski trips, all take
part in the 80-95% region, while competitions means 92-93% _average_ load.

Terje

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Old February 25th 08, 11:31 PM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
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On Feb 24, 11:16*pm, Camilo wrote:
Just got a new toy: Garmin Forerunner 305. * I went on one of my
favorite skis and came up with the following data.

Distance: 25.5.km
Total ascent: 885 m (2,900 ft?)

Of course total descent was the same since it was a loop.

How does this compare to routes you guys ski on? *Would you consider
this a tough 25 K, average or what?

Just curious, since I've never measured this before.

My average HR was 73% of max (measured max, not calculated). *This ski
was fairly typical of what I call my LSD, but I often think I'm going
a little too hard.


I just did the American Birkebeiner classic (52K) on Saturday and
according to my Suunto T6 we climbed 2680 feet. It has the most
elevation of any race or course that I ever do. Your route has more
elevation in half the distance. My HR was 87% of max.

I'm a very average, although experienced, skier and I'd say your route
was very tough
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Old February 26th 08, 12:10 AM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
Camilo
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On Feb 25, 2:31*pm, wrote:
On Feb 24, 11:16*pm, Camilo wrote:





Just got a new toy: Garmin Forerunner 305. * I went on one of my
favorite skis and came up with the following data.


Distance: 25.5.km
Total ascent: 885 m (2,900 ft?)


Of course total descent was the same since it was a loop.


How does this compare to routes you guys ski on? *Would you consider
this a tough 25 K, average or what?


Just curious, since I've never measured this before.


My average HR was 73% of max (measured max, not calculated). *This ski
was fairly typical of what I call my LSD, but I often think I'm going
a little too hard.


I just did the American Birkebeiner classic (52K) on Saturday and
according to my Suunto T6 we climbed 2680 feet. It has the most
elevation of any race or course that I ever do. Your route has more
elevation in half the distance. My HR was 87% of max.

I'm a very average, although experienced, skier and I'd say your route
was very tough- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Interesting.... and a good excuse why I'm so slow!
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Old February 26th 08, 06:29 PM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
Derick Fay[_2_]
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Default Elevation gain?

On Feb 25, 7:10*pm, Camilo wrote:
On Feb 25, 2:31*pm, wrote:



On Feb 24, 11:16*pm, Camilo wrote:


Just got a new toy: Garmin Forerunner 305. * I went on one of my
favorite skis and came up with the following data.


Distance: 25.5.km
Total ascent: 885 m (2,900 ft?)


Of course total descent was the same since it was a loop.


How does this compare to routes you guys ski on? *Would you consider
this a tough 25 K, average or what?


Just curious, since I've never measured this before.


My average HR was 73% of max (measured max, not calculated). *This ski
was fairly typical of what I call my LSD, but I often think I'm going
a little too hard.


I just did the American Birkebeiner classic (52K) on Saturday and
according to my Suunto T6 we climbed 2680 feet. It has the most
elevation of any race or course that I ever do. Your route has more
elevation in half the distance. My HR was 87% of max.


I'm a very average, although experienced, skier and I'd say your route
was very tough- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Interesting.... and a good excuse why I'm so slow!


Not to burst your bubble but I've got elevation gains of 1000s of feet
while using the 305 on a bike on a trainer and 100s of feet while
doing 800m intervals on a track. I like the device (had it for 9 mos
or so) but I've found it to be really inaccurate for elevation. You
can use the elevation correction function at motionbased.com for a
more accurate reading, or maybe if you're somewhere with very clear
skies you'll get better results.
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Old February 26th 08, 09:13 PM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
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Default Elevation gain?

why not just estimating the elevation gain using a USGS topo map?

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Old February 26th 08, 11:28 PM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
Camilo
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On Feb 26, 9:29 am, Derick Fay wrote:
On Feb 25, 7:10 pm, Camilo wrote:



On Feb 25, 2:31 pm, wrote:


On Feb 24, 11:16 pm, Camilo wrote:


Just got a new toy: Garmin Forerunner 305. I went on one of my
favorite skis and came up with the following data.


Distance: 25.5.km
Total ascent: 885 m (2,900 ft?)


Of course total descent was the same since it was a loop.


How does this compare to routes you guys ski on? Would you consider
this a tough 25 K, average or what?


Just curious, since I've never measured this before.


My average HR was 73% of max (measured max, not calculated). This ski
was fairly typical of what I call my LSD, but I often think I'm going
a little too hard.


I just did the American Birkebeiner classic (52K) on Saturday and
according to my Suunto T6 we climbed 2680 feet. It has the most
elevation of any race or course that I ever do. Your route has more
elevation in half the distance. My HR was 87% of max.


I'm a very average, although experienced, skier and I'd say your route
was very tough- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Interesting.... and a good excuse why I'm so slow!


Not to burst your bubble but I've got elevation gains of 1000s of feet
while using the 305 on a bike on a trainer and 100s of feet while
doing 800m intervals on a track. I like the device (had it for 9 mos
or so) but I've found it to be really inaccurate for elevation. You
can use the elevation correction function at motionbased.com for a
more accurate reading, or maybe if you're somewhere with very clear
skies you'll get better results.


You probably have burst my bubble, but that motionbased site is
interesting. I'm going to sign on and try it later. I'll report back
more accurate findings!
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Old February 26th 08, 11:30 PM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
Camilo
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Default Elevation gain?

On Feb 26, 12:13 pm, "
wrote:
why not just estimating the elevation gain using a USGS topo map?


I've done that for many wilderness routes. However I don't have a map
of this particular area and would rather use my new toy anyway!

I'm hoping I will find it reasonably accurate for cycling this
summer. Just for grins, I'm going to set myself some elevation goals
for the season.
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Old February 27th 08, 06:43 PM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
Booker Bense[_2_]
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In article ,
Terje Mathisen wrote:
Camilo wrote:
Just got a new toy: Garmin Forerunner 305. I went on one of my
favorite skis and came up with the following data.

Distance: 25.5.km
Total ascent: 885 m (2,900 ft?)


If the ascent is spread over just a few large climbs, then GPS data will
be pretty good.

For rolling terrain, with lots of small (2-10 m) ups and downs otoh, you
really need a gps with barometer assistance to get good measurements.


The Forerunner has a barometer, in general it's pretty accurate
wrt to altitude even in rolling terrain. Trees and very steep
canyons give it a bit of trouble, but for training purposes it
works better than any previous GPS I've tried. I was poking
around the FIS site the other day and that's about the max
climbing for a "qualified[1]" FIS 30K classic race course.

_ Booker C. Bense

[1]- the actual term they use escapes me at the moment, (
homoulgated?) it's a word I've never seen used in any other
context.


 




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