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Old July 2nd 03, 06:14 AM
Kurgan Gringioni
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Default what is more important in downhill, leg strength or aerobic capacity?

I say aerobic capacity.


Why?


Well, you need leg strength to make turns, but you need aerobic capacity to
breathe, right?


If you don't have leg strength, then you can't turn at high speeds, but if
you can't breathe, then you'd be dead.


Dead people are definitely slower than people who lack leg strength.
Therefore, I submit that aerobic capacity is more important in the downhill.






Aaron Daniel Gringioni



ps. I used to hang out with some skiers once, therefore I know what I'm
talking about


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Old July 2nd 03, 06:39 AM
Mike Speegle
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Default what is more important in downhill, leg strength or aerobic capacity?

In news:Kurgan Gringioni
typed:
I say aerobic capacity.


Why?


Well, you need leg strength to make turns, but you need aerobic
capacity to breathe, right?


If you don't have leg strength, then you can't turn at high speeds,
but if you can't breathe, then you'd be dead.


Dead people are definitely slower than people who lack leg strength.
Therefore, I submit that aerobic capacity is more important in the
downhill.






Aaron Daniel Gringioni



ps. I used to hang out with some skiers once, therefore I know what
I'm talking about


Looks like this could make the summer quite amusing. ;-)
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Old July 2nd 03, 11:56 PM
Tom Kunich
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Default what is more important in downhill, leg strength or aerobic capacity?

I say the most important thing in a downhill is a really low IQ.

"Mike Speegle" wrote in message
...
In news:Kurgan Gringioni
typed:
I say aerobic capacity.


Why?


Well, you need leg strength to make turns, but you need aerobic
capacity to breathe, right?


If you don't have leg strength, then you can't turn at high

speeds,
but if you can't breathe, then you'd be dead.


Dead people are definitely slower than people who lack leg

strength.
Therefore, I submit that aerobic capacity is more important in the
downhill.






Aaron Daniel Gringioni



ps. I used to hang out with some skiers once, therefore I know

what
I'm talking about


Looks like this could make the summer quite amusing. ;-)
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Old July 3rd 03, 12:08 AM
Mike Speegle
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Default what is more important in downhill, leg strength or aerobic capacity?

In news:Tom Kunich typed:
I say the most important thing in a downhill is a really low IQ.


*BIG* balls. Tiny brain also helps. ;-)
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Old July 2nd 03, 01:01 PM
Boyd Speerschneider
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Default what is more important in downhill, leg strength or aerobic capacity?

"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in
et:

I say aerobic capacity.

Why?

Well, you need leg strength to make turns, but you need aerobic
capacity to breathe, right?


If you don't have leg strength, then you can't turn at high speeds,
but if you can't breathe, then you'd be dead.


Dead people are definitely slower than people who lack leg strength.
Therefore, I submit that aerobic capacity is more important in the
downhill.

Aaron Daniel Gringioni

ps. I used to hang out with some skiers once, therefore I know what
I'm talking about


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Old July 2nd 03, 02:33 PM
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Default what is more important in downhill, leg strength or aerobic capacity?

your theory is flawed somewhat, dead people in the right vehicle and terrain
are faster than alive in the same terrain.

example, dead person inside a box off Yosemite is faster than one alive. the
alive person would fight for the first few seconds before being thrown off.
the dead person is already traveling at 32.2ft/s /s thus has a 60-90 ft
advantage the alive person would never regain. then once they reach their
destination the aerobic wouldn't matter due to the longs being
collapsed.....



"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in
message et...
Dead people are definitely slower than people who lack leg strength.
Therefore, I submit that aerobic capacity is more important in the

downhill.




Aaron Daniel Gringioni



ps. I used to hang out with some skiers once, therefore I know what I'm
talking about




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Old July 2nd 03, 06:33 PM
The Real Bev
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Default what is more important in downhill, leg strength or aerobiccapacity?

JTN wrote:

your theory is flawed somewhat, dead people in the right vehicle and terrain
are faster than alive in the same terrain.

example, dead person inside a box off Yosemite is faster than one alive. the
alive person would fight for the first few seconds before being thrown off.
the dead person is already traveling at 32.2ft/s /s thus has a 60-90 ft
advantage the alive person would never regain. then once they reach their
destination the aerobic wouldn't matter due to the longs being
collapsed.....


But you forget aerodynamic considerations. The dead person could not tuck
into an efficient shape (which a box certainly is not) and wind resistance
would slow him down. If the distance to drop is short, this probably
wouldn't matter much.

"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote:

Dead people are definitely slower than people who lack leg strength.
Therefore, I submit that aerobic capacity is more important in the
downhill.

Aaron Daniel Gringioni


ps. I used to hang out with some skiers once, therefore I know what I'm
talking about


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the path to knowledge one step at a time.

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Old July 2nd 03, 03:03 PM
warren
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Default what is more important in downhill, leg strength or aerobic capacity?

In article , Kurgan
Gringioni wrote:

I say aerobic capacity.


Why?


Well, you need leg strength to make turns, but you need aerobic capacity to
breathe, right?


If you don't have leg strength, then you can't turn at high speeds, but if
you can't breathe, then you'd be dead.


Dead people are definitely slower than people who lack leg strength.
Therefore, I submit that aerobic capacity is more important in the downhill.


Downhill requires strong legs to maintain a tuck, do the pre-jumps, and
absorb the bumps. Lots of squats done by the best. In a tight tuck
there isn't much room to breathe anyway. Alpine skiing is a sport where
one can be a fattie before they are a master.

-WG

Real skiers don't ride chairlifts.
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Old July 2nd 03, 03:14 PM
Poachise
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Default what is more important in downhill, leg strength or aerobic capacity?


"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote
in message et...
I say aerobic capacity.

Why?

Well, you need leg strength to make turns, but you need aerobic

capacity to
breathe, right?

If you don't have leg strength, then you can't turn at high speeds,

but if
you can't breathe, then you'd be dead.

Dead people are definitely slower than people who lack leg

strength.
Therefore, I submit that aerobic capacity is more important in the

downhill.

Well, you're very close, but the actual answer is *anaerobic*
capacity.
You see at the speeds most downhillers are moving, when they open
their
mouth to breathe, the venturi effect draws all the air out of their
pleural cavity. The better ones use this little known fact to their
advantage by collapsing their rib cages, and thus decreasing their
cross-sectional area, enabling them to go faster due to the drag
reduction.

As you might imagine, not breathing at all during two minutes of very
high exertion puts quite a strain on the old bloodstream so most
downhiller take Geritol every day.


ps. I used to hang out with some skiers once, therefore I know what

I'm
talking about

You are clearly a very knowledgable person with a PhD. What do your
do
your dissertation on? I did mine on Biomechanical Implications of
Camel
Toe.

-P


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Old July 3rd 03, 09:43 PM
Stewart Fleming
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Default what is more important in downhill, leg strength or aerobic capacity?



Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

Dead people are definitely slower than people who lack leg strength.
Therefore, I submit that aerobic capacity is more important in the downhill.


As has been pointed out, dead people *can* have an advantage in a
straight downhill. Even more if rigor mortis has set in.

As a related data point, we submit results from the Queenstown winter
festival where individuals on cardboard boxes beat mountain bikers on
the downhill slopes.

So I would express the opinion that a deceased individual on a cardboard
box could easily outclass an individual with strong legs in a downhill
event. It may however, be difficult to acquire ethical approval for a
fully-detailed research study.

One of the mountainbikers was also heard to remark that the lack of snow
made his event too difficult. I think that is where both rbr and rsa
can find agreement.

 




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