snowboarding video doc input

hi everyone,

i made a 6-min video for wannabe snowboarders.
i'd like to have your input on this video clip.
if you have the time you can watch it at:

http://zed.cbc.ca/displayContent.do?item_id=46839

what's good, what's bad?
thanks

juani

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:54:45 GMT, "Juan Parra" allegedly
wrote:

http://zed.cbc.ca/displayContent.do?item_id=46839

what's good, what's bad?

Good: dunno

Bad: Won't play. I have quicktime on my PC, yet it's complaining that it
doesn't have all the vitals. Can you re-encode it?

Also, better to link straight to the MOV file, to save people waiting for
that horrible forum type page.

- Dave.

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try this link

http://zedstatic.cbc.ca/users/j/juan...rdtech_web.mov

if you have the latest quicktime installed,
you should be able to play it.
cheers

juani

"Switters" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:54:45 GMT, "Juan Parra" allegedly
wrote:

http://zed.cbc.ca/displayContent.do?item_id=46839

what's good, what's bad?

Good: dunno

Bad: Won't play. I have quicktime on my PC, yet it's complaining that it
doesn't have all the vitals. Can you re-encode it?

Also, better to link straight to the MOV file, to save people waiting for
that horrible forum type page.

- Dave.

--
The only powder to get high on, falls from the sky.
http://www.vpas.org/ - Snowboarding the worlds pow pow -
Securing your e-mail

The Snowboard FAQ lives here - http://rssFAQ.org/

"Juan Parra" wrote in message .ca...

i made a 6-min video for wannabe snowboarders.
i'd like to have your input on this video clip.
if you have the time you can watch it at:

http://zed.cbc.ca/displayContent.do?item_id=46839

what's good, what's bad?

If it's a video for wannabe snowboarders, there's almost 0 content
that would be helpful to them. It's more of a standard snowboard vid
with a voiceover that's pretty much unrelated to what's going on in
the background. You talk about freeriding but 90% of it is shot in
the park. You talk about carving and show some park monkey skidding a
turn on a cat track. You talk about riding the whole mountain,
there's the park monkey still skidding on the cat track. You finish
up with a lecture about safety, yet show idiots hanging off the bottom
of chairs and jumping off the tops of buildings.

Overall, I'd say it's a very nicely produced pile of crap.

what's good, what's bad?
thanks

juani

I don't reckon it'll be too long before you get picked up big time !?!
Love the drop-in off the rail at Crystal Hut :0) Beeeg cojones !

well done and best of luck if this IS your chosen career...you lucky
lucky b@st@rd !!
S

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The assistant replies 'No, you're right. It's a macaroon.'"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
(Chick Murray...'nuff said.)

Overall, I'd say it's a very nicely produced pile of crap.

He *did* ask for balanced comment...and while it may not have suited
your tastes 'crap' it ain't !
Next time you ride, take a camera and try getting any footage worth
encoding and putting up here. I reckon anyone that puts in the effort
this work musta done deserves recognition for that and *encouragement*
on how to do it better.

If you think he can and you think you know how...tell him instead of
trying to bitch-slap the guy...

Oooh...some people !

S
--
"A man walks into a cake shop and says 'Is that a macaroon or a meringue?'
The assistant replies 'No, you're right. It's a macaroon.'"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
(Chick Murray...'nuff said.)

i made a 6-min video for wannabe snowboarders.
i'd like to have your input on this video clip.
if you have the time you can watch it at:

http://zed.cbc.ca/displayContent.do?item_id=46839

what's good, what's bad?
thanks


On the upside... Definitely liked the intro. Some nice camera work. The
sections with the VP from Option are useful information. There's always
questions from newbies about what the differences are between different
boards, hence what they should get. On the downside... A couple of the
scenes are replayed too much. There's a little too much re-iterating what
freeriding or freestyle is. It's not that difficult a distinction. Didn't
notice anything about alpine carving style.
Not bad, but I'd suggest shortening it a bit.

steve
http://www.ridecanada.com

What's good:

- I thought the Option Marketing guy explaining the differences
between a freeride and a freestyle snowboard was informative and
intelligent (although a wannabe snowboarder wouldn't understand most
of what he said.

- I like the snowboarder talking about freeriding and freestyling as
well... (guy with the thirty-two stick on his board). Err... going
back Kevin Sansalone

You have a lot of nice footage of people doing rails and park jumps,
mixed in with some silly antics stuff (people hanging/dropping off of
chairlifts, people hanging on rails, etc).

Bad:

First you repeat some action shots twice in the video... like the guy
coming down the powdery bumps

The narrator sounds like he's trying a little too hard to sound cool,
maybe that and the script he's reading from. Kind of reminds me of dj
at a hiphop radio station trying to plug some local dance party.

The narration is inaccurate and has a rather freestyle-centric view on
everything. Freeriding to me means no (at least very few jumps...) I
mean the pro rider you interview says "freeriding to me is... not
filming, not jumping, it's just riding, riding power, carving." I mean
that's pretty much the exact opposite of what the narration says and
what the video is showing in the background. Let's not mention that
you completely omitted alpine/racing snowboarding. True it's a tiny
percentage of the snowboarding population, but if you want to be a
informative video, you should at least mention it and show a little
footage.

(Aside in terminology)
Personally I don't consider all-mountain and freeriding to be the same
(unlike the narration). First there is freeriding vs freestyle, the
first is mainly carving/turns and the second is mainly tricks
(jumps/rails). Then ontop of that is "all-mountain" which basically
means (to me) that in addition to groomed trails, you ride the entire
mountain... trees, bowls, backcountry, etc... So you can have
all-mountain freestyle (which is what the narration believes
all-mountain/free-riding) abd all-mountain free-riding. Which is
different from regular freestyle (in the park/pipe) and regular
freeriding (down groomed trails).

Back to the footage... it rarely syncs up with what is being
discussed. It's just jumps, rails, snowboard antics... repeat.

Like during the section free-riding... you have absolutely no real
free-riding or all mountain footage. Having a few second of people
just sliding straight down a blue/green slope without actually carving
doesn't count. Setting up a rail in the middle of the woods doesn't
count either. Get some footage of people carving through powder,
cutting through the tree, or laying out a line on groomer. Even if you
can get in some heli-boarding footage like the big production
videos... you can still include some footage of people riding through
the trees or actually carving... I'm pretty sure I didn't see a single
linked carved turn in the video (just some guy sliding on a cat
track).

Finally if you want this to be for aspiring snowboarders... maybe you
could provide information on where to go to learn more (websites,
snowboard camps, etc).


Summary:
Great camerawork.
Good interviews.
Not so good narration
Not so good content - incorrect or missing information, not
particularly well organized. Like what information are you trying to
pass on to wannabe snowboarders.
Not so good editing in terms of matching the background with the
topics being discussed (it's fine if you're just blasting some music
like a regular video, but I think you need to work making the footage
complement and emphasize what the narrator and interviewers are
saying).


"Juan Parra" wrote in message .ca...
try this link

http://zedstatic.cbc.ca/users/j/juan...rdtech_web.mov

if you have the latest quicktime installed,
you should be able to play it.
cheers

juani

"Switters" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:54:45 GMT, "Juan Parra" allegedly
wrote:

http://zed.cbc.ca/displayContent.do?item_id=46839

what's good, what's bad?

what's good

Some good freestyle riders, slick editing, good audio, really
professional. I also like that you talked about "push the limits, but
don't be stupid" instead of just "go big or go home".

what's bad?

You seemed pretty limited on footage. Most of it was guys in the
park... good clips of good riders in the park, but none of the clips
really gave the idea of big parts of freeriding like carving, trees,
big mountain technical stuff. You really need more clips of people
really carving and freeriding. Your powder clip seemed a little more
chunk than powder too ;P.

That raw handheld look fits the music and editing style well, but if
you want to change up and have something that looks really big money
professional, buy beg borrow or steal copies of RealViz ReTimer and
3d2 SteadyMove pro. A side bonus of smoothing out your source video
with these is that you get better quality for the same bit-rate out of
most .avi or .mov encoders.

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:11:16 +0100, Scott wrote:

He *did* ask for balanced comment...and while it may not have suited
your tastes 'crap' it ain't !

If he'd said "did I catch some good tricks? is it professional
looking?" I would have commented differently as I'll concede it was
technically well done. I think he's already a pro, as this thing is
posted on cbc's website so I'm not about to post "good for you,
muffin" coments. My reaction was more to the content and intent ant
there what he said was:

i made a 6-min video for wannabe snowboarders.

What he made was a generic lookit-the-spins-and-jibs video. It wasn't
balanced at all, made little effort to present material to help a
beginner. If the impression a beginner wanted was "wow look at all
the stuff I'll be able to do in a few years if I'm young,
super-athletic and talented", that's what he gave. If the intent was
to introduce the concepts of freeriding and freestyle, he didn't
distinguish much between them.