pilot bindings and boots

I just got new skate skis, bindings and boots. I have the fischer scs
skate, the pilot bindings, and the fischer s 5000 skate boot. I'm a new
skate skier, but I'm hoping to race classic next year (and skate soon,
hopefully). So, I got skis that I wouldn't need to replace when I'm
better.

I tried them for the first time today, and I really like them. My one
problem, which is a big issue, is that the 2nd bar (the one under the
ball of my foot) keeps popping out of the binding on my left foot. I
tried switching skis, thinking maybe there was something wrong with the
binding, but it still happened on my left foot. I've looked at the
boots to see if there is something different about the left one, and I
can't see anything.

Is it possible that my technique (my left side is weaker) could make my
boot pop out of the binding? I think my left foot is a little bit
smaller than my right, so I'm curious if that could affect it?

The connection at my toe is fine (so it's not at all like my ski is
falling off), but the result is, for one thing, distracting because it
makes a popping sound, but it also makes my left foot sit on the ski
differently than my right.

Any ideas?

I'm just curious if anyone has heard about this...

Take a look at the toe of your left boot. There may be some plastic
'shreds' hanging around where it has worn a little funny. Also, try
getting into your left ski first, making sure the binding and boot are
really clean. Try to slide your foot into the binding, making sure that
the back hook engages before the front bar drops in. Pilot is a genuine
Pain in the tail if everything isn't perfect. Failing that, take it all
to your ski shop and ask them to FIX IT. Technique shouldn't cause this
to happen unless you are pushing so far backwards and twisting on the
left side. I suspect you'd fall every step if that were the case.

Good luck!

Marsh Jones


wrote:
I just got new skate skis, bindings and boots. I have the fischer scs
skate, the pilot bindings, and the fischer s 5000 skate boot. I'm a new
skate skier, but I'm hoping to race classic next year (and skate soon,
hopefully). So, I got skis that I wouldn't need to replace when I'm
better.

I tried them for the first time today, and I really like them. My one
problem, which is a big issue, is that the 2nd bar (the one under the
ball of my foot) keeps popping out of the binding on my left foot. I
tried switching skis, thinking maybe there was something wrong with the
binding, but it still happened on my left foot. I've looked at the
boots to see if there is something different about the left one, and I
can't see anything.

Is it possible that my technique (my left side is weaker) could make my
boot pop out of the binding? I think my left foot is a little bit
smaller than my right, so I'm curious if that could affect it?

The connection at my toe is fine (so it's not at all like my ski is
falling off), but the result is, for one thing, distracting because it
makes a popping sound, but it also makes my left foot sit on the ski
differently than my right.

Any ideas?

I'm just curious if anyone has heard about this...

The bars on Fischer boots are spaced just a little bit closer together
than Salomon Boots. The effect is that if you engage the front bar
first and then step your foot down to try to engage the rear bar it
doesn't work. The rear bar on the boot ends up sliding in front of the
spring-loaded clip. To get the boot to engage properly you need to put
it flat on the binding and slide the rear bar into place first. This,
at any rate, is the case with the high end race boots.

Zach


wrote:
I just got new skate skis, bindings and boots. I have the fischer scs
skate, the pilot bindings, and the fischer s 5000 skate boot. I'm a
new
skate skier, but I'm hoping to race classic next year (and skate
soon,
hopefully). So, I got skis that I wouldn't need to replace when I'm
better.

I tried them for the first time today, and I really like them. My one
problem, which is a big issue, is that the 2nd bar (the one under the
ball of my foot) keeps popping out of the binding on my left foot. I
tried switching skis, thinking maybe there was something wrong with
the
binding, but it still happened on my left foot. I've looked at the
boots to see if there is something different about the left one, and
I
can't see anything.

Is it possible that my technique (my left side is weaker) could make
my
boot pop out of the binding? I think my left foot is a little bit
smaller than my right, so I'm curious if that could affect it?

The connection at my toe is fine (so it's not at all like my ski is
falling off), but the result is, for one thing, distracting because
it
makes a popping sound, but it also makes my left foot sit on the ski
differently than my right.

Any ideas?

I'm just curious if anyone has heard about this...

The bars on Fischer boots are spaced just a little bit closer together
than Salomon Boots. The effect is that if you engage the front bar
first and then step your foot down to try to engage the rear bar it
doesn't work. The rear bar on the boot ends up sliding in front of the
spring-loaded clip. To get the boot to engage properly you need to put
it flat on the binding and slide the rear bar into place first. This,
at any rate, is the case with the high end race boots.

Zach


wrote:
I just got new skate skis, bindings and boots. I have the fischer scs
skate, the pilot bindings, and the fischer s 5000 skate boot. I'm a
new
skate skier, but I'm hoping to race classic next year (and skate
soon,
hopefully). So, I got skis that I wouldn't need to replace when I'm
better.

I tried them for the first time today, and I really like them. My one
problem, which is a big issue, is that the 2nd bar (the one under the
ball of my foot) keeps popping out of the binding on my left foot. I
tried switching skis, thinking maybe there was something wrong with
the
binding, but it still happened on my left foot. I've looked at the
boots to see if there is something different about the left one, and
I
can't see anything.

Is it possible that my technique (my left side is weaker) could make
my
boot pop out of the binding? I think my left foot is a little bit
smaller than my right, so I'm curious if that could affect it?

The connection at my toe is fine (so it's not at all like my ski is
falling off), but the result is, for one thing, distracting because
it
makes a popping sound, but it also makes my left foot sit on the ski
differently than my right.

Any ideas?

I'm just curious if anyone has heard about this...

I was thinking they are hard to get into, so I'm glad it's not just me!
Now that I read your comments, I'm wondering if I'm just having
difficulty getting the left boot into the binding properly at the
beginning, and then it slips off as soon as I lift the ski. Even before
it slips off, it doesn't feel the same as my right foot. I'll try to
make sure I'm getting the rear bar connected first. Thanks for your
help!

wrote:
I was thinking they are hard to get into, so I'm glad it's not just
me!
Now that I read your comments, I'm wondering if I'm just having
difficulty getting the left boot into the binding properly at the
beginning, and then it slips off as soon as I lift the ski. Even
before
it slips off, it doesn't feel the same as my right foot. I'll try to
make sure I'm getting the rear bar connected first. Thanks for your
help!

Zach has it right. Engage the rear bar first and then connect into the
front. The effect you describe is exactly the symptom if you engage the
front first and then the rear. This (again) is due to the spacing being
a tiny bit off. No problem with your technique.

Jay Wenner

You guys are amazing! It took me a few tries, but I was eventually able
to engage the rear bar before getting my toe into the binding. Once I
did, it felt great! Thanks for your help.

Makes me wonder why Fischer would market a defective design? My Salomon
boots have never given me one instant of difficulty, and I've never heard of
any with Salomons. If Fischer is making a Pilot-compatable sole, why not
manufacture it correctly?

wrote in message
oups.com...
You guys are amazing! It took me a few tries, but I was eventually able
to engage the rear bar before getting my toe into the binding. Once I
did, it felt great! Thanks for your help.

I tried it out today out on the snow, and it was perfect! It still took
a little while to get them on, but once I did it was great.

I wondered the same thing about the Fischer boots.

But, now that I know that I need to be more careful about putting them
on, I think they'll work well.

Camilo wrote:
Makes me wonder why Fischer would market a defective design? My
Salomon
boots have never given me one instant of difficulty, and I've never
heard of
any with Salomons. If Fischer is making a Pilot-compatable sole, why
not
manufacture it correctly?

Ok, I'm just guessing. Sometimes when you post the wrong information as
if it's correct, then it brings the correct information out of the
woodwork.

I think manufacturers making Pilot comparible boots in the past have
had to purchase the sole from Salomon. I think Fischer worked out some
agreement to make the sole themselves since their sole has a curved
last.

I believe a small percentage of the soles are just a tiny bit shorter
than they should be, so the second bar doesn't quite engage. Is it a
design problem? I don't know. Is it a manufacturing problem, as in a
few boots go out slightly out of spec? I dont' know. But I believe it's
a minority of the boots, and simply changing how you get in the binding
solves the problem.

Jay Wenner