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Trails are usually more than wide enough to accompany two skiers (a fast one and yourself) without the faster one having to call out a warning each time. (...) The fact is that some slower skiers do get startled by faster skiers who whizz by them because from their very subjective point of view the trail is not wide enough and/or the faster skier passes too close for comfort. Etiquettewise this is just as importnat as their objective safety - and the relevant questions are whether we should startle them or not and, if not, how could we best avoid causing them any displeasantness. IMHO there are two rules: 1) Do not appear like a bolt out of the blue; make some noise (kick loudly, cough, whistle, whatever) *well before you=B4re at his/her tail* and 2a) Switch tracks or hop into the skating lane/ *in good time* or 2b) make your skating movement narrower(so that it=B4s immediately obvious to the slower skier than there=B4s no need for him to jump anywhere to avoid a collision or to escape your fury) . There=B4s usually no need to issue any explicit warning. However, if the passee moves aside it=B4s polite to thank (and if you have the time, to add "It=B4s the faster skier who moves aside, though!"). Anders |
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Terje Mathisen wrote: When meeting another skier, keep to the right. There aren=B4t too many trails with single classical tracks anymore, but that rule, as marvellously simple as it is, often tended to result in the ridiculous situation where *both* skiers stepped out of the tracks! If one skier wanted to indicate that he=B4d be readily the one to yield (before age or beauty), he had to step out 50m ahead:-) (BTW the exception to this rule is, of course, that a lone skier usually moves aside for a train or group of skiers.) Anders |
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"SUSAN BURAK" wrote in message news:009f01c5019c$6a989e40$575c020a@HOTROD2... Well put Hank. This is what most of us here practice. Sue Lets be clear that the post is about skiing on open trails, with the general public who may have varying degrees of ski skills. You dont know how skilled that person is as you approach. Its not about racing where a shout for track is immediately recognised. From the posts so far it seems we dont follow a constant etiquette routine. Mike |
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:21:40 -0600, Gene Goldenfeld
wrote: I think you should go back and think about what was actually said and implied in the original post, rather than throwing off thoughtless comments. If the person in front is going to be startled, then the chances are the available (or whole) trail is not wide. If you want to popularize the sport, how about saying "Hello" which are actual greetings, rather than "On your left", "Track" and "hup" or "Coming through", which are greetings rather than statements telling the slower skier they must "prepare" for the faster skier Moreover, how does it serve popularizing the sport and building a friendly atmosphere to go around startling people? Interesting logical shift. Because I said that skiers/cyclists should pass others at a reasonable and safe distance and not be concerned if they are startled (as opposed to passing close and yelling "on your left" or "track", while at the same time not being concerned if, when passing at a safe distance, they are startled, the question has become "going around startling people." That's quite a shift. If anyone actually wants to startled people, there are even better ways than passing them silently (or with a "Hello") while several feet away. The same applies on a bicycle, where it's also a matter of safety (somebody veering out into the way of the passer out of careless, care-freeness or to avoid an obstacle the passing cyclist can't see). On a bike the fundamental issue is not to pass too close. If you pass at a reasonable distance, there is nearly zero danger. And by the time the other cyclist is aware of you, by the time they swerve, you will be past them. The on-the-bike warnings are retarded. Think about it -- do you want cars to honk when they pass you? Or even worse, pass you close while honking? What if the driver says "I just want to let the cyclist know that I am coming so they are not startled and don't veer out -- for their own safety." And then, there's the matter of cyclists passing rollerskiers -- don't get me started. I agree 100% with the OP. The fundamental problem is that too many people doing the overtaking pass to close. They believe that if you are going faster and catch someone, they have to get out of your way. That is only true in racing in some sports. It's absolutely not true on public trails or roads. And too many people who subscribe to the "track" "on your left" "c oming through" school of thought try to defend their actions by talking about safety or not starting people, when really what they are saying is "here I come, get out of my way or at least don't move." JFT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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Sorry, I should have written:
If you want to popularize the sport, how about saying "Hello" or "How's it going" which are actual greetings, rather than "On your left", "Track" and "hup" or "Coming through", which are NOT greetings but rather statements telling the slower skier they must "prepare" for the faster skier. JFT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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Anders wrote:
Terje Mathisen wrote: When meeting another skier, keep to the right. There arenŽt too many trails with single classical tracks anymore, but that rule, as marvellously simple as it is, often tended to result in the ridiculous situation where *both* skiers stepped out of the tracks! If one skier wanted to indicate that heŽd be readily the one to yield (before age or beauty), he had to step out 50m ahead:-) Oh, yes, and when they do, as often happen if they are skiing relatively slowly, and I'm out there all dressed in lycra, I always say a sincere 'Tusen Takk' (Thank You). Many skiers in Nordmarka have adopted a half-way solution though: We'll step half-way out of the track, to the right, so that our left ski is in the right half of the track, and the right ski is outside in the loose stuff. When both skiers do this, they can ski at nearly the same speed, without having to stop or get all snowy. (BTW the exception to this rule is, of course, that a lone skier usually moves aside for a train or group of skiers.) Right. Terje -- - "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching" |
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: The on-the-bike warnings are retarded. Think about it -- do you want cars to honk when they pass you? Or even worse, pass you close while honking? What if the driver says "I just want to let the cyclist know that I am coming so they are not startled and don't veer out -- for their own safety." As retarded as this may seem, it's supported by New York State Vehicle and Traffic Law. -Mitch |
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Thoughtless? I think not. A logical, well-constructed argument, with
a touch of humor? That's more like it. Thank you, thank you, hold the applause. :-) bt |
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Sknyski,
Your attitude reminds me of the '80s movie "Hot Dog". The villain is this snobby expert super skier who has come to the ski town to win the local stunt ski competition. He and his pack of well dressed followers come on the local kids on the downhill slope. He scolds the local kids by saying something like "Get out of my way, you slow people! You can ski on the left. You can ski on the right. But not in the middle!" The local kids tell him "Kiss my ass. Not on the left. Not on the right. But in the middle." The most important lesson I ever got from a ski instructor was this: "Skiing is fun. If you are not having fun you are skiing wrong." You need to learn this. Cheers, Bruce Freeburger To reply: get rid of SNOWMOBILES and UNLEASHEDDOGS sknyski wrote: This is retarded. [Just a historical note: Nazi Germany passed legislation so they could legally round up the mentally retarded and exterminated them, as well as jews, gypsies, and homosexuals.] |
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I may not have been clear in what I posted yesterday -- I completely
agree with sknyski, especially what he wrote below. Note the phrases "wide berth", "go around" and "on occassion hello." Those things are what *real* etiquette is about. JFT sknyski wrote: This is retarded. Do you honk each time you pass a car on the freeway? Trails are usually more than wide enough to accompany two skiers (a fast one and yourself) without the faster one having to call out a warning each time. Not to sound like a complete asshole (it's hard, trust me), but if I'm skiing at a place like Royal Gorge I'd go hoarse by the end of the day calling out a warning each time I went past someone. I just give people a wide berth, go around (instead of yelling track and expecting them to move), and on occasion saying hello. |
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