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Roller skiing introduce bad kick habit?
Yesterday I was out with an instructor watching me stride. I wish I
can charge that kind of money . I had all the wrong thing right. My butt was so far back he had to tie rope around my butt and pull from behind while I strided. I think I've got what a kick is. It is like jumping diagonally forward with flat foot, while the foot is under a forwarded hip. I was amazed how much grip I got. What used to be wax problem is really a kick setting problem. Even a little wax can kick pretty good and increase speed. The instructor said it took him 1000k to get it right. I am sure the kick has been discussed endlessly before. Any further tips? There is an earlier thread about roller skiing. My mind was flashing all over the place about this new toy for the summer. After yesterday's instruction I think that classic roller skiing will introduce bad kick habit. |
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Roller skiing introduce bad kick habit?
I recall several years ago you reported having attended an Anikin
clinic. Their style was (and remains?) "big skiing" with lots of forward lean and a long arm/hand thrust. Without careful attention that can lead to hinging at the waist. In the past few years, classical posture has become more upright and the stride length shortened. There's more emphasis on a quicker kick motion and a little longer glide (where possible). Jumping, even diagonally, is not a good image. Here's a quick progression we use in teaching that you can do right where you are inside: 1)Flex your ankles and feel your weight falling forward; then shuffle around for awhile doing that; 2)Continue that, but now focus on leading the forward motion with the front of your thighs, as if there were silver dollars in there that you were going to put down one track, then the other; 3)While continuing these, get even stronger kick by holding your heel down as long as possible; 4)Go out in your great backyard and repeat this progression on snow. Poles: The trick is that when adding poles most people at first lose everything they have just learned. Thus, a poling progression: 1)Carry poles in the center and let arms swing like pendulums, loose from the shoulder socket, as you continue to practice the lower body progression; 2)Put the pole straps on, but just drag the poles forward on the snow at first, just pushing on them when the hands get forward (keep hands low); 3)As this becomes comfortable, let the hands come up but not far out -- the best image is to let the elbow lead and determine how far the arm goes; the elbow just bends and the hand comes into a natural position (the is counter to the "big ski" approach of swinging the hands out as far as possible). More advanced: 4)Start the poling motion with a quick ab crunch; 5)Let the elbow flop out consciously as the arm comes forward. Feel your midsection open up. This gives room for a more powerful upper body compression into the abs. There are different opinions about striding on rollerskis (vs. just d-p and kick/dp). I wonder if a lot of that doesn't come from the days of "big skiing." The latter, with it's greater body lean, required very fine tuning of kick timing. With a more upright posture, the progression above should work fine on rollerskis. In fact, both the USST and Zach's Jenex video use rollerskis to demonstrate very similar progressions to this one. Gene Goldenfeld -JP- wrote: Yesterday I was out with an instructor watching me stride. I wish I can charge that kind of money . I had all the wrong thing right. My butt was so far back he had to tie rope around my butt and pull from behind while I strided. I think I've got what a kick is. It is like jumping diagonally forward with flat foot, while the foot is under a forwarded hip. I was amazed how much grip I got. What used to be wax problem is really a kick setting problem. Even a little wax can kick pretty good and increase speed. The instructor said it took him 1000k to get it right. I am sure the kick has been discussed endlessly before. Any further tips? There is an earlier thread about roller skiing. My mind was flashing all over the place about this new toy for the summer. After yesterday's instruction I think that classic roller skiing will introduce bad kick habit. |
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Roller skiing introduce bad kick habit?
4)Go out in your great backyard and repeat this progression on snow.
Thanks Gene. The flex ankle and hold heel improved my glide. I went out today to do easy 12k w/o poles (poles held in mid section). It was the same trail I did with poles on the day of Xmas eve. May be it was because I didn't have to say Merry Xmas to everyone I saw on the trail, I was surprised and pleased that it took me about the same amount of time. JP |
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Roller skiing introduce bad kick habit?
One thing all three of those steps do together is assure that the
forward driving foot lands in front of the kick foot instead of behind it or alongside. -JP- wrote: 4)Go out in your great backyard and repeat this progression on snow. Thanks Gene. The flex ankle and hold heel improved my glide. I went out today to do easy 12k w/o poles (poles held in mid section). It was the same trail I did with poles on the day of Xmas eve. May be it was because I didn't have to say Merry Xmas to everyone I saw on the trail, I was surprised and pleased that it took me about the same amount of time. JP |
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Roller skiing introduce bad kick habit?
Gene Goldenfeld wrote in message ...
I recall several years ago you reported having attended an Anikin clinic. ....(snip) 4)Go out in your great backyard and repeat this progression on snow. Gene There evidently are two "JP's" You are confusing the present JP in this thread with Jeff Potter of backyard infame. Jeff Potter, I can vouch, has actually developed some pretty sweet striding technique in his backyard, &/or at the Anikin clinic. His hips were tucked in the correct forward position as he disappeared into the icy maw ahead of me, actually yelling this on an icy & very fast downhill: "HOLY SMOKES !!" I'm not even joking ! And yep, he was wearing what I like to call the Team Sweden '76 outfit: blue & yellow addidas triple stripe, knickers, with genuine woolen socks and the old school low top classic ski "shoes." He makes the entire package work surprisingly well. I reccommend he stay the course. Dell |
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Roller skiing introduce bad kick habit?
Oh, you're right. I wondered what that was all about, but then J Potter
surprises us all the time. Gene Dell Todd wrote: Gene Goldenfeld wrote in message ... I recall several years ago you reported having attended an Anikin clinic. ...(snip) 4)Go out in your great backyard and repeat this progression on snow. Gene There evidently are two "JP's" You are confusing the present JP in this thread with Jeff Potter of backyard infame. Jeff Potter, I can vouch, has actually developed some pretty sweet striding technique in his backyard, &/or at the Anikin clinic. His hips were tucked in the correct forward position as he disappeared into the icy maw ahead of me, actually yelling this on an icy & very fast downhill: "HOLY SMOKES !!" I'm not even joking ! And yep, he was wearing what I like to call the Team Sweden '76 outfit: blue & yellow addidas triple stripe, knickers, with genuine woolen socks and the old school low top classic ski "shoes." He makes the entire package work surprisingly well. I reccommend he stay the course. Dell |
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