Rossi Factory Grind

I picked up a pair of Rossi Delta NIS Skate skis this season, and I'm
wondering about the default factory grind. Out of the box, these skis
scoot really well in temps over 20 degrees, but have a significant
degradation in performance as the temps decrease--more than I would
expect. I'm working in LOTS of the harder waxes (Fastwax Teal and
White), and the skis are getting better, but I'm wondering, with the
factory grind, what's the best I can expect in the low teen's to
single digits? I'm suspecting the skis come with a warmer
grind......or maybe I'm just impatient and just need to shut up and
ski more??


Eric

Check Zach at Caldwell Sports Specialties or Mark W at Nordic Ultratune
Systems. Both ae grind gurus and Mark also sells Rossi.

"Eric N." wrote:

I picked up a pair of Rossi Delta NIS Skate skis this season, and I'm
wondering about the default factory grind. Out of the box, these skis
scoot really well in temps over 20 degrees, but have a significant
degradation in performance as the temps decrease--more than I would
expect. I'm working in LOTS of the harder waxes (Fastwax Teal and
White), and the skis are getting better, but I'm wondering, with the
factory grind, what's the best I can expect in the low teen's to
single digits? I'm suspecting the skis come with a warmer
grind......or maybe I'm just impatient and just need to shut up and
ski more??


Eric

On Dec 25, 7:13*pm, wrote:
Check Zach at Caldwell Sports Specialties or Mark W at Nordic Ultratune
Systems. Both ae grind gurus and Mark also sells Rossi.



"Eric N." wrote:
I picked up a pair of Rossi Delta NIS Skate skis this season, and I'm
wondering about the default factory grind. *Out of the box, these skis
scoot really well in temps over 20 degrees, but have a significant
degradation in performance as the temps decrease--more than I would
expect. *I'm working in LOTS of the harder waxes (Fastwax Teal and
White), and the skis are getting better, but I'm wondering, with the
factory grind, what's the best I can expect in the low teen's to
single digits? *I'm suspecting the skis come with a warmer
grind......or maybe I'm just impatient and just need to shut up and
ski more??

Eric- Hide quoted text -

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Good point re Zach or Mark. Zack/Boulder Noridc discount grind and
hot box prep with new ski purhcase and Mark includes grind and hot box
prep with his pricing of new skis. The other benefit is getting skis
that work (fit). No sense in cut corners on price when spending a lot
for new skis. The only downside is the time it takes to get new skis.

It is easy to press or cut rills into skis. My experience has been that it
is much harder to take out rills, especially the aggressive warm grinds. The
rills go much deeper than you'd think. Basically all I could accomplish was
to 'round' off the top of the rills.
Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I've tried using sharp steel scrapers (the
Swix blue handled scraper). I've seen pictures of tuners scraping bases and
there are long ribbons of black ptex being removed. That didn't happen when
I tried to reduce rills.
A stone grinder can remove lots of material if necessary, plus has the
advantage of keeping the surface flat and even. I believe they first 'blank'
your ski, then add in the rilling you desire.

If your new skis are running really well in warm conditions, why not
consider picking up another pair for cold conditions? It is difficult to
fork out more money, but by the time you pay for a 'universal' grind at
about $50-$70, you are not too far off from a good used pair of race skis
($150-250) or even another pair of the Deltas, which are $260. Then you'd
have fast skis for both warm and cold conditions.

Another option would be to go back to the store you bought them at. The good
shops know about the 'issues' with certain skis and equipment. Maybe they
would give you a discount on a different grind or even exchange the skis.
Shops with good reputations stay in business, because they service their
customers.

Tom at FinnSisu had fast turn arounds when I use to have skis ground there.
My guess is less than a week and you'd have them back.
--

Paul Haltvick
Bay Design and Build - LLC
Engineering, Construction and Information Technology Services
FSx Midwest - Fischer / Swix Racing

"Eric N." wrote in message
...
On Dec 27, 9:35 am, wrote:
where are you located? there may be someone close who does a decent
universal grind.

It's a simple matter of taking them over to Tom down at
FinnSisu....I'm just not sure I want to have the ski's out of
commission, even for only a short time at this point in the season.
With my current goals, overall performance will be a bigger issue NEXT
year than it is this year, I'm thinking some more elbow grease to get
me through the end of the year (they have improved remarkably) , and a
fresh uni grind next fall is the best course of action.

Had I known this was going to be a significant issue, I would have had
them ground when I purchased them. Live and learn I guess.

Another option is Fischer SCS skis at $199. But I don't see a cold base
option for either the SCS or Deltas, so additional pair of new skis is
probably not an option.

--

Paul Haltvick
Bay Design and Build - LLC
Engineering, Construction and Information Technology Services
FSx Midwest - Fischer / Swix Racing

"Norski" wrote in message
et...
It is easy to press or cut rills into skis. My experience has been that it
is much harder to take out rills, especially the aggressive warm grinds.
The
rills go much deeper than you'd think. Basically all I could accomplish
was
to 'round' off the top of the rills.
Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I've tried using sharp steel scrapers (the
Swix blue handled scraper). I've seen pictures of tuners scraping bases
and
there are long ribbons of black ptex being removed. That didn't happen
when
I tried to reduce rills.
A stone grinder can remove lots of material if necessary, plus has the
advantage of keeping the surface flat and even. I believe they first
'blank'
your ski, then add in the rilling you desire.

If your new skis are running really well in warm conditions, why not
consider picking up another pair for cold conditions? It is difficult to
fork out more money, but by the time you pay for a 'universal' grind at
about $50-$70, you are not too far off from a good used pair of race skis
($150-250) or even another pair of the Deltas, which are $260. Then you'd
have fast skis for both warm and cold conditions.

Another option would be to go back to the store you bought them at. The
good
shops know about the 'issues' with certain skis and equipment. Maybe they
would give you a discount on a different grind or even exchange the skis.
Shops with good reputations stay in business, because they service their
customers.

Tom at FinnSisu had fast turn arounds when I use to have skis ground
there.
My guess is less than a week and you'd have them back.
--

Paul Haltvick
Bay Design and Build - LLC
Engineering, Construction and Information Technology Services
FSx Midwest - Fischer / Swix Racing

"Eric N." wrote in message
...
On Dec 27, 9:35 am, wrote:
where are you located? there may be someone close who does a decent
universal grind.

It's a simple matter of taking them over to Tom down at
FinnSisu....I'm just not sure I want to have the ski's out of
commission, even for only a short time at this point in the season.
With my current goals, overall performance will be a bigger issue NEXT
year than it is this year, I'm thinking some more elbow grease to get
me through the end of the year (they have improved remarkably) , and a
fresh uni grind next fall is the best course of action.

Had I known this was going to be a significant issue, I would have had
them ground when I purchased them. Live and learn I guess.

On Dec 25, 9:13 pm, wrote:
Check Zach at Caldwell Sports Specialties or Mark W at Nordic Ultratune
Systems. Both ae grind gurus and Mark also sells Rossi.


Got a reply back from Mark @ Ultratune, excerpt below:

"The Rossignol skis come with a relatively aggressive grind that works
well in warmer conditions."
"Waxing the skis a lot" often is done with the hope of improving cold
weather performance, but what's really happening is that you're slowly
wearing down the structure (making it less aggressive)."

So it sounds like my hunch was correct (on the factory grind)--not
sure if I'm going to go for a re-grind, or just keep working at it for
the rest of the season....
....decisions....decisions.....

where are you located? there may be someone close who does a decent
universal grind.


"Eric N." wrote:

On Dec 25, 9:13 pm, wrote:
Check Zach at Caldwell Sports Specialties or Mark W at Nordic
Ultratune Systems. Both ae grind gurus and Mark also sells Rossi.


Got a reply back from Mark @ Ultratune, excerpt below:

"The Rossignol skis come with a relatively aggressive grind that works
well in warmer conditions."
"Waxing the skis a lot" often is done with the hope of improving cold
weather performance, but what's really happening is that you're slowly
wearing down the structure (making it less aggressive)."

So it sounds like my hunch was correct (on the factory grind)--not
sure if I'm going to go for a re-grind, or just keep working at it for
the rest of the season....
...decisions....decisions.....

On Dec 27, 9:35 am, wrote:
where are you located? there may be someone close who does a decent
universal grind.

It's a simple matter of taking them over to Tom down at
FinnSisu....I'm just not sure I want to have the ski's out of
commission, even for only a short time at this point in the season.
With my current goals, overall performance will be a bigger issue NEXT
year than it is this year, I'm thinking some more elbow grease to get
me through the end of the year (they have improved remarkably) , and a
fresh uni grind next fall is the best course of action.

Had I known this was going to be a significant issue, I would have had
them ground when I purchased them. Live and learn I guess.

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 05:23:09 -0800 (PST), "Eric N."
wrote:

On Dec 25, 9:13 pm, wrote:
Check Zach at Caldwell Sports Specialties or Mark W at Nordic Ultratune
Systems. Both ae grind gurus and Mark also sells Rossi.


Got a reply back from Mark @ Ultratune, excerpt below:

"The Rossignol skis come with a relatively aggressive grind that works
well in warmer conditions."
"Waxing the skis a lot" often is done with the hope of improving cold
weather performance, but what's really happening is that you're slowly
wearing down the structure (making it less aggressive)."

So it sounds like my hunch was correct (on the factory grind)--not
sure if I'm going to go for a re-grind, or just keep working at it for
the rest of the season....
...decisions....decisions.....

If you want to tone done the structure, you can use that razor tool
Swix sells which will work quicker than a plexiscraper

http://www.akers-ski.com/Merchant2/m..._Code=scrapers

On Dec 30, 9:12 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:


If you want to tone done the structure, you can use that razor tool
Swix sells which will work quicker than a plexiscraper

http://www.akers-ski.com/Merchant2/m...ROD&Product_Co...

I've actually had the most success doing just that, a few handle-first
pulls of the swix tool down the base, followed by base wax, then wax
'o the day--kind of a big production, but it seems to be working.