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"Your Responsibility Code" Interpretation...Ugh
"Walt" wrote in message ... Richard Henry wrote: On Jan 10, 8:58 am, Walt wrote: Richard Henry wrote: I suppose that makes me liable if someone runs into me, since the menaing of "above" becomes a little ambiguous. Carefully worded versions of the skiers code use the term "ahead" not "above". "People ahead of you have the right of way. It is your responsibility to avoid them." When at the 180 point of a carved circle, which direction is "ahead"? Up. So if you're skiing uphill, it's your responsibility to avoid people coming down. Is that so hard? And it is their responsibility to avoid you? Sounds like the safest of all situations. |
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"Your Responsibility Code" Interpretation...Ugh
On Jan 10, 2:40*pm, Richard Henry wrote:
On Jan 10, 8:58*am, Walt wrote: Richard Henry wrote: I suppose that makes me liable if someone runs into me, since the menaing of "above" becomes a little ambiguous. Carefully worded versions of the skiers code use the term "ahead" not "above". * * "People ahead of you have the right of way. * * *It is your responsibility to avoid them." That's from the National Ski Patrol.http://www.nsp.org/1/nsp/Safety_Info...bilityCode.asp You'll sometimes see other versionswith the term "above" or "uphill" but they're not the real deal. When at the 180 point of a carved circle, which direction is "ahead"? Also consider that uphill travel is verboten on some slopes... |
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"Your Responsibility Code" Interpretation...Ugh
Richard Henry wrote:
On Jan 10, 8:58 am, Walt wrote: Richard Henry wrote: I suppose that makes me liable if someone runs into me, since the menaing of "above" becomes a little ambiguous. Carefully worded versions of the skiers code use the term "ahead" not "above". "People ahead of you have the right of way. It is your responsibility to avoid them." That's from the National Ski Patrol.http://www.nsp.org/1/nsp/Safety_Info...bilityCode.asp You'll sometimes see other versionswith the term "above" or "uphill" but they're not the real deal. When at the 180 point of a carved circle, which direction is "ahead"? Is the other skier's back to you? |
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"Your Responsibility Code" Interpretation...Ugh
"VtSkier" wrote in message ... Richard Henry wrote: On Jan 10, 8:58 am, Walt wrote: Richard Henry wrote: I suppose that makes me liable if someone runs into me, since the menaing of "above" becomes a little ambiguous. Carefully worded versions of the skiers code use the term "ahead" not "above". "People ahead of you have the right of way. It is your responsibility to avoid them." That's from the National Ski Patrol.http://www.nsp.org/1/nsp/Safety_Info...bilityCode.asp You'll sometimes see other versionswith the term "above" or "uphill" but they're not the real deal. When at the 180 point of a carved circle, which direction is "ahead"? Is the other skier's back to you? Is that the issue? Then we need a new rule related to snowboarders, since their back is to one side or the other generally. |
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"Your Responsibility Code" Interpretation...Ugh
Bob F wrote:
"VtSkier" wrote in message ... Richard Henry wrote: On Jan 10, 8:58 am, Walt wrote: Richard Henry wrote: I suppose that makes me liable if someone runs into me, since the menaing of "above" becomes a little ambiguous. Carefully worded versions of the skiers code use the term "ahead" not "above". "People ahead of you have the right of way. It is your responsibility to avoid them." That's from the National Ski Patrol.http://www.nsp.org/1/nsp/Safety_Info...bilityCode.asp You'll sometimes see other versionswith the term "above" or "uphill" but they're not the real deal. When at the 180 point of a carved circle, which direction is "ahead"? Is the other skier's back to you? Is that the issue? Then we need a new rule related to snowboarders, since their back is to one side or the other generally. Really it has to do with the ability of one snow slider seeing the other. If you are "above" or "behind" you can generally see the other person quite well. The other person must, OTOH, make an effort to see you. I'm rather respectful of another moving body's back. I never assume that anybody has eyes in the back of his head. This includes overtaking a snowboarder on his heel side. If I'm beside a skier, I can be fairly comfortable that he knows I'm there. I need to be well past a snowboarder on his heel side to feel that he has seen me. OTOH, if I'm overtaking on his toe side, I can still be a bit behind when I can be pretty sure he knows I'm there. Having said all of that, I'm still never overtaking at a high rate of speed. My speed is relatively less as I am closer to the person I'm overtaking. A hundred yards I can blow by at mach 6. At 20 feet, I'm only going a mph or two faster than the other person, in addition, I usually speak in a way that I think the OP can hear me. "I'm on your left." spoken at a volume to be heard but not to startle. Having said all of that, nowadays I always look for little wires coming out of the OP's ears. If someone is wired up for sound, I can be pretty sure he/she is not as aware of his/her surroundings as he/she might otherwise be. I really hate this on an emotional level in that a visceral sport like skiing/snowboarding should be enjoyed on all levels without the intrusion of an unnatural stimulus. However, I've never had a practical problem with someone who is wired up. |
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"Your Responsibility Code" Interpretation...Ugh
"Bob F" wrote in message . .. "VtSkier" wrote in message ... Richard Henry wrote: On Jan 10, 8:58 am, Walt wrote: Richard Henry wrote: I suppose that makes me liable if someone runs into me, since the menaing of "above" becomes a little ambiguous. Carefully worded versions of the skiers code use the term "ahead" not "above". "People ahead of you have the right of way. It is your responsibility to avoid them." That's from the National Ski Patrol.http://www.nsp.org/1/nsp/Safety_Info...ibilityCode.as p You'll sometimes see other versionswith the term "above" or "uphill" but they're not the real deal. When at the 180 point of a carved circle, which direction is "ahead"? Is the other skier's back to you? Is that the issue? Then we need a new rule related to snowboarders, since their back is to one side or the other generally. And half the time they are making blind turns. It's really interesting to watch two snowboarders, one a lefty, coming down a slope apparently totally oblivious of each other. |
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"Your Responsibility Code" Interpretation...Ugh
On Jan 10, 9:33*pm, "Richard Henry" wrote:
"Bob F" wrote in message . .. "VtSkier" wrote in message ... Richard Henry wrote: On Jan 10, 8:58 am, Walt wrote: Richard Henry wrote: I suppose that makes me liable if someone runs into me, since the menaing of "above" becomes a little ambiguous. Carefully worded versions of the skiers code use the term "ahead" not "above". * * "People ahead of you have the right of way. * * *It is your responsibility to avoid them." That's from the National Ski Patrol.http://www.nsp.org/1/nsp/Safety_Info...ibilityCode.as p You'll sometimes see other versionswith the term "above" or "uphill" but they're not the real deal. When at the 180 point of a carved circle, which direction is "ahead"? Is the other skier's back to you? Is that the issue? Then we need a new rule related to snowboarders, since their back is to one side or the other generally. And half the time they are making blind turns. It's really interesting to watch two snowboarders, one a lefty, coming down a slope apparently totally oblivious of each other. You can ride "regular" (left foot in front) or "goofy" (right foot in front) -- no "lefty." Joe Ramirez |
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"Your Responsibility Code" Interpretation...Ugh
wrote in message ... On Jan 10, 9:33 pm, "Richard Henry" wrote: "Bob F" wrote in message . .. "VtSkier" wrote in message ... Richard Henry wrote: On Jan 10, 8:58 am, Walt wrote: Richard Henry wrote: I suppose that makes me liable if someone runs into me, since the menaing of "above" becomes a little ambiguous. Carefully worded versions of the skiers code use the term "ahead" not "above". "People ahead of you have the right of way. It is your responsibility to avoid them." That's from the National Ski Patrol.http://www.nsp.org/1/nsp/Safety_Info...ibilityCode.as p You'll sometimes see other versionswith the term "above" or "uphill" but they're not the real deal. When at the 180 point of a carved circle, which direction is "ahead"? Is the other skier's back to you? Is that the issue? Then we need a new rule related to snowboarders, since their back is to one side or the other generally. And half the time they are making blind turns. It's really interesting to watch two snowboarders, one a lefty, coming down a slope apparently totally oblivious of each other. You can ride "regular" (left foot in front) or "goofy" (right foot in front) -- no "lefty." Both ways look pretty goofy to me. |
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"Your Responsibility Code" Interpretation...Ugh
Walt wrote:
BrritSki wrote: ant wrote: In 01/02 (Colorado) I had a pair of Stockli super carvers, they were primarily for eurocarving and liked nothing better than to do actual carved circles. Eurocarving? WTF? Fanging down hills doing loooong curves, with no stocks. These Ravers extended the envelope a bit, being powerful enough to do circles. At the time, they were a radical ski. 160cm was the longest they came in, the top sheet was a thick layer of titanal, the shovel was 120mm (extreme then), waist 68mm and the tail was, I think, 109mm. They were quite unforgiving, hell in bumps, horrible in soft (they hung up and behaved like trampolines, and twitched), but for carving at very high speeds, they were like battleships. -- ant Don't try to email me! I'm using the latest spammer/scammer's email addy. |
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