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RFD: create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.skiing
"David Mahon" wrote in message ... In article , PG writes A new group would be a waste of space imo. Who administrates rsre? All it needs is a less specific name, and you have a snowsports forum for Europeans and those interested in visiting Europe, and which is bound to have mainly UK contributors. So what's the difference, and more importantly, what's the point? Why are you so arrogant as to say that RSRE, "a snowsports forum for Europeans and those interested in visiting Europe" is "bound to have mainly UK contributors"? It's called observation and logic actually. Take a look at the forum archives. An English language forum tends to attract English speakers, and as other ski forums cater for those Anglophones that ski outside Europe... do I really need to explain more? Are there more skiers in the UK than in the rest of Europe? Are we even in the top 5 skiing nations in Europe? [1] Are we a "big name" in skiing? Or are the rest of Europe usenet and computer illiterate? [1] number of skier days per year Irrelevant, on the whole, to the point being made. Pete |
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RFD: create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.skiing
"David Mahon" wrote in message ... In article , PG writes A new group would be a waste of space imo. Who administrates rsre? All it needs is a less specific name, and you have a snowsports forum for Europeans and those interested in visiting Europe, and which is bound to have mainly UK contributors. So what's the difference, and more importantly, what's the point? Why are you so arrogant as to say that RSRE, "a snowsports forum for Europeans and those interested in visiting Europe" is "bound to have mainly UK contributors"? Are there more skiers in the UK than in the rest of Europe? Are we even in the top 5 skiing nations in Europe? [1] Are we a "big name" in skiing? Or are the rest of Europe usenet and computer illiterate? David Mahon David Mahon's response above illustrates my point in the post he was responding to; the instigator of this thread just wishes to promote his idea, and has no interest in the negative feedback. Here he snips most of the points I made, fails to make any attempt at some kind of intelligent answer, then takes one comment out of context in order to launch an Ad Hominem. This from the guy who originally asked us for his views? The snipped part of the original post below: From the comments made, seems to me that this thread is more to publicise the new ng than to obtain opinions. More of a fait accompli for the original poster than a genuine attempt to discover what would be the best option. He makes the point that uk. groups can be posted to, and read from anywhere. Precisely - as can rsre. Our current forum has probably a majority of UK-based contributors who post on a great range of subjects from the technical to the humorous, but hardly ever off-topic. A resident group of *experts*, some based in Europe, who contribute regularly. Rarely is a (sensible) enquiry left unanswered. Overall this forum is one of the best unmoderated ngs I have come across, although it could do with more traffic at times. Pete |
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RFD: create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.skiing
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:50:14 +0100, David Mahon
wrote: In article , PG writes Why are you so arrogant as to say that RSRE, "a snowsports forum for Europeans and those interested in visiting Europe" is "bound to have mainly UK contributors"? It's called observation and logic actually. Take a look at the forum "bound to have" suggests it is not based upon observation at all and indeed is the kind of statement that would be made before such a group were even set up. Try again. archives. An English language forum tends to attract English speakers, and as other ski forums cater for those Anglophones that ski outside Europe... do I really need to explain more? Ah. Yes, you do. It's not an English language forum. Read the charter. If you had any interest at all you'd be familiar enough with RSRE to know that there's only one or two non-English posting per year since the groups foundation. Since you clearly don't read it then it rather begs the question how you've reached the conclusion the UK needs its own group. -- Yeah, because you never know when the value of 2^15 will change and you have to go through all your code fixing it. -- Paul Tomblin |
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RFD: create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.skiing
In message , Ian Spare
writes If you had any interest at all you'd be familiar enough with RSRE to know that there's only one or two non-English posting per year since the groups foundation. Since you clearly don't read it then it rather begs the question how you've reached the conclusion the UK needs its own group. I don't think it begs the question at all. The uk.* hierarchy is independent of any other Usenet hierarchy. If users of the uk.* hierarchy feel they want a skiing newsgroup within that hierarchy then they can have one if they satisfy the requirements of the hierarchy rules. The existence of skiing newsgroups elsewhere in Usenet is largely irrelevant to the current proposal. -- Paul Giverin British Jet Engine Website http://www.britjet.co.uk |
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RFD: create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.skiing
"David Mahon" wrote in message ... In article , PG writes Why are you so arrogant as to say that RSRE, "a snowsports forum for Europeans and those interested in visiting Europe" is "bound to have mainly UK contributors"? It's called observation and logic actually. Take a look at the forum "bound to have" suggests it is not based upon observation at all and indeed is the kind of statement that would be made before such a group were even set up. Try again. Fact: posting history backs this up, read the archives. Fact: The only non-English postings tend to be accidental. Fact: Most people prefer to post to forums where the language is one in which they are fluent. Fact: Non-UK Anglophones in the skiing fraternity are mainly North American-based, and tend to post to rsa or rsrna. Conclusion? archives. An English language forum tends to attract English speakers, and as other ski forums cater for those Anglophones that ski outside Europe... do I really need to explain more? Ah. Yes, you do. It's not an English language forum. Read the charter. As others have patiently mentioned, the vast majority of postings to this ng are, always have been, and likely will remain, in English. Split as many hairs as you like, but that's the way it is. Pete |
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RFD: create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.skiing
"David Mahon" wrote in message ... In article , PG writes ..../... And I do have every interest in negative feedback. The negative feedback will be weighed up against the positive feedback when I decide whether or not to publish a revised RFD or to ask for a formal vote. Glad to hear it. Pete |
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RFD: create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.skiing
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:11:30 +0100, Paul Giverin
wrote: In message , Ian Spare writes If you had any interest at all you'd be familiar enough with RSRE to know that there's only one or two non-English posting per year since the groups foundation. Since you clearly don't read it then it rather begs the question how you've reached the conclusion the UK needs its own group. I don't think it begs the question at all. The uk.* hierarchy is independent of any other Usenet hierarchy. What's the plan then, replicate every newsgroup in the rec hierarchy to the UK? -- Yeah, because you never know when the value of 2^15 will change and you have to go through all your code fixing it. -- Paul Tomblin |
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RFD: create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.skiing
Ian Spare wrote:
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:11:30 +0100, Paul Giverin wrote: In message , Ian Spare writes If you had any interest at all you'd be familiar enough with RSRE to know that there's only one or two non-English posting per year since the groups foundation. Since you clearly don't read it then it rather begs the question how you've reached the conclusion the UK needs its own group. I don't think it begs the question at all. The uk.* hierarchy is independent of any other Usenet hierarchy. What's the plan then, replicate every newsgroup in the rec hierarchy to the UK? No, the 'plan' is to run a well managed hierarchy, allowing the users of that hierarchy to create groups if they meet the requirements. The requirements do not specify if the existence of groups in other hierarchies should or should not play any role in their creation in the uk.* hierarchy. If you wish there to be a requirement, then you can easily follow the established process and RFD for it, that would allow you to measure the support for your requirement. Also, you could just vote no every time it's the case and see if that has any effect. -- Tony Evans (ICQ : 170850) Recommended Author : David Gemmell A hangover: the wrath of grapes. Homepage : http://www.darkstorm.org/tony |
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RFD: create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.skiing
Ian Spare wrote:
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:11:30 +0100, Paul Giverin wrote: In message , Ian Spare writes If you had any interest at all you'd be familiar enough with RSRE to know that there's only one or two non-English posting per year since the groups foundation. Since you clearly don't read it then it rather begs the question how you've reached the conclusion the UK needs its own group. I don't think it begs the question at all. The uk.* hierarchy is independent of any other Usenet hierarchy. What's the plan then, replicate every newsgroup in the rec hierarchy to the UK? Obviously not , but if sufficient people want a uk... group to cover a particular subject and are prepared to say so then the idea shouldn't be ruled out automatically just because a non uk group covers a similar topic. -- Alex "We are now up against live, hostile targets" "So, if Little Red Riding Hood should show up with a bazooka and a bad attitude, I expect you to chin the bitch! " www.drzoidberg.co.uk |
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RFD: create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.skiing
Dr Zoidberg wrote:
Ian Spare wrote: On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:11:30 +0100, Paul Giverin wrote: In message , Ian Spare writes If you had any interest at all you'd be familiar enough with RSRE to know that there's only one or two non-English posting per year since the groups foundation. Since you clearly don't read it then it rather begs the question how you've reached the conclusion the UK needs its own group. I don't think it begs the question at all. The uk.* hierarchy is independent of any other Usenet hierarchy. What's the plan then, replicate every newsgroup in the rec hierarchy to the UK? Obviously not , but if sufficient people want a uk... group to cover a particular subject and are prepared to say so then the idea shouldn't be ruled out automatically just because a non uk group covers a similar topic. I would go further: if sufficient people want a uk.* group to cover a particular subject and are prepared to say so, then the fact a non-uk.* group covers a similar topic is of no relevance. -- John Briggs |
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