Speed: Boards vs. Skis??

On Nov 30, 8:17*am, downhill wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Nov 30, 6:30 am, downhill wrote:
VtSkier wrote:

He mumbled something about doing a drill with gloves between knees.. I
ski like a hockey player the knees never get close.
and I also have learned to ski with two feet. If it's REALLY
slick my skis are two feet apart.
lowers CoG
Wider wheelbase, less apt to tip over ;-]
Wider track
wheelbase would be length of skis
track is distance between tires or skis

Where does "camber" and "caster" come in?

caster is the degree of what used to be called kingpin inclination it is
the center of the shaft that the spindle rotates on when it turns,
changing the caster affects how much force is needed to turn steering
wheel among other things.
camber is tilt of tire top to bottom the increase in camber helps with
the grip of tire in turns adds more drag in straights
toe would be your next question that is pointing the front of tire more
towards the center of car Toe in or away from the center Toe out this is
one of the adjustments for getting the car to initiate or start a turn

Very good, b

"downhill" wrote in message
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Where does "camber" and "caster" come in?
caster is the degree of what used to be called kingpin inclination it is
the center of the shaft that the spindle rotates on when it turns,
changing the caster affects how much force is needed to turn steering
wheel among other things.
camber is tilt of tire top to bottom the increase in camber helps with the
grip of tire in turns adds more drag in straights
toe would be your next question that is pointing the front of tire more
towards the center of car Toe in or away from the center Toe out this is
one of the adjustments for getting the car to initiate or start a turn


To compare (loosely) with skiing, Caster would be how far forward or
backward you are leaning, Camber would be how much you tilt (edge) the ski
or skis, and toe in would refer to whether or not you are in a snowplow. The
term camber we actually use in relation to skis means something else
entirely, how much the skis are preflexed end to end.

"downhill" wrote in message
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Where does "camber" and "caster" come in?
caster is the degree of what used to be called kingpin inclination it is
the center of the shaft that the spindle rotates on when it turns,
changing the caster affects how much force is needed to turn steering
wheel among other things.
camber is tilt of tire top to bottom the increase in camber helps with the
grip of tire in turns adds more drag in straights
toe would be your next question that is pointing the front of tire more
towards the center of car Toe in or away from the center Toe out this is
one of the adjustments for getting the car to initiate or start a turn


To compare (loosely) with skiing, Caster would be how far forward or
backward you are leaning, Camber would be how much you tilt (edge) the ski
or skis, and toe in would refer to whether or not you are in a snowplow. The
term camber we actually use in relation to skis means something else
entirely, how much the skis are preflexed end to end.

Richard Henry wrote:
On Nov 30, 8:17 am, downhill wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Nov 30, 6:30 am, downhill wrote:
VtSkier wrote:
He mumbled something about doing a drill with gloves between knees. I
ski like a hockey player the knees never get close.
and I also have learned to ski with two feet. If it's REALLY
slick my skis are two feet apart.
lowers CoG
Wider wheelbase, less apt to tip over ;-]
Wider track
wheelbase would be length of skis
track is distance between tires or skis
Where does "camber" and "caster" come in?
caster is the degree of what used to be called kingpin inclination it is
the center of the shaft that the spindle rotates on when it turns,
changing the caster affects how much force is needed to turn steering
wheel among other things.
camber is tilt of tire top to bottom the increase in camber helps with
the grip of tire in turns adds more drag in straights
toe would be your next question that is pointing the front of tire more
towards the center of car Toe in or away from the center Toe out this is
one of the adjustments for getting the car to initiate or start a turn

Very good, b

they were easy ones, I spend a far amount of my time doing this.
what tool do you use to determine final camber setting?

Norm wrote:
"downhill" wrote in message
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Where does "camber" and "caster" come in?
caster is the degree of what used to be called kingpin inclination it is
the center of the shaft that the spindle rotates on when it turns,
changing the caster affects how much force is needed to turn steering
wheel among other things.
camber is tilt of tire top to bottom the increase in camber helps with the
grip of tire in turns adds more drag in straights
toe would be your next question that is pointing the front of tire more
towards the center of car Toe in or away from the center Toe out this is
one of the adjustments for getting the car to initiate or start a turn


To compare (loosely) with skiing, Caster would be how far forward or
backward you are leaning, Camber would be how much you tilt (edge) the ski
or skis, and toe in would refer to whether or not you are in a snowplow. The
term camber we actually use in relation to skis means something else
entirely, how much the skis are preflexed end to end.


Or you could change the side cut and base cut angles this would be a
camber change.

"downhill" wrote in message
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Where does "camber" and "caster" come in?
caster is the degree of what used to be called kingpin inclination it is
the center of the shaft that the spindle rotates on when it turns,
changing the caster affects how much force is needed to turn steering
wheel among other things.
camber is tilt of tire top to bottom the increase in camber helps with
the grip of tire in turns adds more drag in straights
toe would be your next question that is pointing the front of tire more
towards the center of car Toe in or away from the center Toe out this is
one of the adjustments for getting the car to initiate or start a turn


To compare (loosely) with skiing, Caster would be how far forward or
backward you are leaning, Camber would be how much you tilt (edge) the
ski or skis, and toe in would refer to whether or not you are in a
snowplow. The term camber we actually use in relation to skis means
something else entirely, how much the skis are preflexed end to end.
Or you could change the side cut and base cut angles this would be a
camber change.

By side cut base cut are you referring to the angle at which the edges are
ground? In this case, yes, this does bias the camber, but not as much as a
small change in the edging by the skier. Skiers have the advantage over
autos that they can dynamically change some of these adjustments to suit
conditions, whereas cars, for the most part, have a predetermined ideal
designed to suit most conditions and need a trip to the shop to make
changes.

Traditionally, when discussing skis the term sidecut refers to the
difference in width between the front, middle and tail of the skis. We have
to be careful not to redefine already commonly used terms. We have seen what
confusion that can lead to. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think
sidecut has an equivalent in the automobile.

"downhill" wrote in message
...


Where does "camber" and "caster" come in?
caster is the degree of what used to be called kingpin inclination it is
the center of the shaft that the spindle rotates on when it turns,
changing the caster affects how much force is needed to turn steering
wheel among other things.
camber is tilt of tire top to bottom the increase in camber helps with
the grip of tire in turns adds more drag in straights
toe would be your next question that is pointing the front of tire more
towards the center of car Toe in or away from the center Toe out this is
one of the adjustments for getting the car to initiate or start a turn


To compare (loosely) with skiing, Caster would be how far forward or
backward you are leaning, Camber would be how much you tilt (edge) the
ski or skis, and toe in would refer to whether or not you are in a
snowplow. The term camber we actually use in relation to skis means
something else entirely, how much the skis are preflexed end to end.
Or you could change the side cut and base cut angles this would be a
camber change.

By side cut base cut are you referring to the angle at which the edges are
ground? In this case, yes, this does bias the camber, but not as much as a
small change in the edging by the skier. Skiers have the advantage over
autos that they can dynamically change some of these adjustments to suit
conditions, whereas cars, for the most part, have a predetermined ideal
designed to suit most conditions and need a trip to the shop to make
changes.

Traditionally, when discussing skis the term sidecut refers to the
difference in width between the front, middle and tail of the skis. We have
to be careful not to redefine already commonly used terms. We have seen what
confusion that can lead to. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think
sidecut has an equivalent in the automobile.

"downhill" wrote in message
...


Where does "camber" and "caster" come in?
caster is the degree of what used to be called kingpin inclination it is
the center of the shaft that the spindle rotates on when it turns,
changing the caster affects how much force is needed to turn steering
wheel among other things.
camber is tilt of tire top to bottom the increase in camber helps with
the grip of tire in turns adds more drag in straights
toe would be your next question that is pointing the front of tire more
towards the center of car Toe in or away from the center Toe out this is
one of the adjustments for getting the car to initiate or start a turn


To compare (loosely) with skiing, Caster would be how far forward or
backward you are leaning, Camber would be how much you tilt (edge) the
ski or skis, and toe in would refer to whether or not you are in a
snowplow. The term camber we actually use in relation to skis means
something else entirely, how much the skis are preflexed end to end.
Or you could change the side cut and base cut angles this would be a
camber change.

By side cut base cut are you referring to the angle at which the edges are
ground? In this case, yes, this does bias the camber, but not as much as a
small change in the edging by the skier. Skiers have the advantage over
autos that they can dynamically change some of these adjustments to suit
conditions, whereas cars, for the most part, have a predetermined ideal
designed to suit most conditions and need a trip to the shop to make
changes.

Traditionally, when discussing skis the term sidecut refers to the
difference in width between the front, middle and tail of the skis. We have
to be careful not to redefine already commonly used terms. We have seen what
confusion that can lead to. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think
sidecut has an equivalent in the automobile.

Norm wrote:
"downhill" wrote in message

snowplow. The term camber we actually use in relation to skis means
something else entirely, how much the skis are preflexed end to end.
Or you could change the side cut and base cut angles this would be a
camber change.

By side cut base cut are you referring to the angle at which the edges are
ground? In this case, yes, this does bias the camber, but not as much as a
small change in the edging by the skier. Skiers have the advantage over
autos that they can dynamically change some of these adjustments to suit
conditions, whereas cars, for the most part, have a predetermined ideal
designed to suit most conditions and need a trip to the shop to make
changes.

Traditionally, when discussing skis the term sidecut refers to the
difference in width between the front, middle and tail of the skis. We have
to be careful not to redefine already commonly used terms. We have seen what
confusion that can lead to. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think
sidecut has an equivalent in the automobile.



but I will not argue the point but some words can cover multiple meaning
and the rest of the words in sentence help to define it

Yes the change in the angle of the edges, like a tire when it is in
contact with road the camber does not remain static the bumps and turns
with suspension movement, wheels get light others get loaded this causes
changes in tire contact patch. Much like a skier adjusts for the terrain.

Norm wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think
sidecut has an equivalent in the automobile.


We could twist it a bit and take a formula car and the sidepods between
the wheels could be referred to as the side cut, formula cars looking
down plan view on would have a coke bottle shape narrow in middle.

not that any thing ever gets taken out of context on this group.