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Foot stress while roller skiing
Thank you for your respons.
My orthopedist told me last week than I have "flat" foot. Is there impact for my favourite sport ? Do I have to use "corrective" stuff ? Thank you, Marc On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:26:11 +0000, Gary Jacobson wrote: Orthosis, or a foot bed insert that is put in side shoe that is designed to correct balance and function of foot. But, it is probably true that custom made foot inserts are not necessary for most people. Foot supports that can be bought at drug stores should be tried before having custom "corrective" orthotics made. "Superfeet" is a brand of foot supports available in USA. Gary Jacobson Rosendale, NY "Marc Gabriel-Willem" wrote in message news On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:34:20 +0000, Gary Jacobson wrote: Orthotics Hello, What do you mean by "Orthotics" ? Thanks, Marc |
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Foot stress while roller skiing
Thanks for the responses everyone.
I gather that I shouldn't worry about switching to narrow wheels, the balance will come without too much difficulty and it sounds as if for skating you prefer the narrow wheels(I don't classic at all on them). In answer to some of your questions: -equipment is fine, although wheels a little "egg shaped" -"over the skis"? yes, but to an expert would say, probably not good enough -"fighting for balance"? no, this is a different feeling -"boots too tight"? no, if anything they are too loose -"roll over, what' that"? at the very end of my push when my heel starts to come up and its not making contact with the groove in the binding, the ski starts to roll to the outside and my boot twists oddly as there is no lateral stiffness left |
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Foot stress while roller skiing
Clearly this is alignment problem.
In all other sports requiring balance on one foot (ice speed skating and inline speedskating that is) there are means to move skate laterally and angle it if needed for as much as 1" relative to center of the boot. So do cycling shoes. Not only that, wedges between skate and boot are used at times to compensate pronation ( in cycling too - between pedal and shoe). Skiing is the only sport that does not employ this because snow is relatively forgiving. Rollerskiing on the contrary is different in this respect and rollerski makers should adress that allowing lateral adjustment of boot on the frame or (and) lateral adjustment of wheels using different bushings to move them off-center. I am new to rollerskiing but I would not be able to skate, much less compete, without such adjustment on skates. Pressure on one side of foot is a balance problem and orthoics address that too but should be used after lateral adjustment does not provide relief. |
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Foot stress while roller skiing
I had the same problem. It gets worse as the wheel wears too. I
switched to narrower wheel Marwee's and the problem went away. The narrower wheel is also less likely to stall on small stones that you don't see. dave (kayakclc) wrote in message . com... Hi all. When roller skiing(V2 720) the joint between my big toe and the ball of the foot gets very sore because I have to work so hard to "edge" the ski(it wants to roll out). I'm assuming it's because my boots are 12 years old and lack support/stiffness. However, maybe the ski feels like it wants to roll out because the wide wheels tend to keep the ski flat rather than letting it roll with my foot. ?Sound reasonable? This brings up another question. If wide wheels resist the rolling of my foot, do the narrower wheels roll with the foot better? If so then they are probably harder to balance on also? Any thoughts on the wide vs narrow wheels? |
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Foot stress while roller skiing
kayakclc wrote:
Thanks for the responses everyone. -"roll over, what' that"? at the very end of my push when my heel starts to come up and its not making contact with the groove in the binding, the ski starts to roll to the outside and my boot twists oddly as there is no lateral stiffness left OK, The roll over you describe sounds like a serious technique flaw. I would recommend competent coaching, for the image i have of what you are attempting to do might be very far off. I don't think you should be relying on boot stiffness too much, and not, in any event, should you be torqueing your boot at the end of you push off. In fact, you should be able to skate competently on classic boot (how else can you turn the dang things without a good quick step turn?) You should push off with a flat foot as much as possible. Meaning equal weight front to back and equal weight inside and outside. When viewed from the front, the ski should be perpediclar to your leg whether riding the glide ski or pushing off. I learned the consequences of pushing off too much with the toes last ski season. Try to avoid it except for your follow through. If I am completely off base, it only demostrates the hazards of coaching over the web. Jim |
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Foot stress while roller skiing
Clearly this is alignment problem.
Pressure on one side of foot is a balance problem and orthoics address Maybe maybe not, this has been very helpful and as I visualize all the input the more I think my original assesment is correct (worn out boots). The only balance issues are when I transition between rollerblades and rollerskis, I find it takes me about 100 yds to catch up to the blades or let the skis catch up to me depending on which I'm transitioning to. Picture standing on the narrow side of a 2x4, that's pretty easy to "edge". Now stand on the wide side(I have wide wheels), that takes more effort. Next suppose you only have sox on in order to get that 2x4 on edge, your going to have alot of pressure on the inside/bottom and the outside/top of the foot whether your in balance or not. That's the same way you roll a kayak - push down on 1 side and push up on the other. I suppose it's possible that I am fundamentaly wrong, in which case PLEASE let me know. |
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Marc Gabriel-Willem wrote:
My orthopedist told me last week than I have "flat" foot. Do I have to use "corrective" stuff ? You'll have to sign the rsn waiver first. Unfortunately, the keeper of forms is out in California surfing for the summer. In the meantime, take a look at sports injury books by Lyle Micheli, Allan Levy and Running Injury-Free by Joe Ellis, who is a DPM (podiatry). Gene |
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Foot stress while roller skiing
Jeepers, I could never understand why I shouldn't use my orthotics in my
speedskates and your explanation doesn't set me straight. Indeed it is what most of the experts have told me. First of all in some skate disciplines blade offset is necessary for clearance from ice when turning. That doesn't impact me as I'm not that aggressive and mostly skate outdoors. But anyway, why wouldn't a skater have a neutral position in the boot that may include arch support which is a common need? Then deal with offset for the discipline or stylistic needs. But I do find it peculiar that orthotics in my cycle shoes don't seem necessary. I couldn't imagine tossing my orthotics out and use binding corrections at the rollerski/binding interface. Orthotics do so many different things, such as support metatarsals. Don't know how binding offset could provide that function. BTW I'd say that wide skate wheels are more "forgiving" (meaning ambiguous feeling) than narrow ones. Again, just my two cents based on experience and what I think is common sense. And regarding your question on O rings, they'd go between the outside wheel bearings inside of fork. Gary Jacobson Rosendale, NY "Serge" wrote in message om... Clearly this is alignment problem. In all other sports requiring balance on one foot (ice speed skating and inline speedskating that is) there are means to move skate laterally and angle it if needed for as much as 1" relative to center of the boot. So do cycling shoes. Not only that, wedges between skate and boot are used at times to compensate pronation ( in cycling too - between pedal and shoe). Skiing is the only sport that does not employ this because snow is relatively forgiving. Rollerskiing on the contrary is different in this respect and rollerski makers should adress that allowing lateral adjustment of boot on the frame or (and) lateral adjustment of wheels using different bushings to move them off-center. I am new to rollerskiing but I would not be able to skate, much less compete, without such adjustment on skates. Pressure on one side of foot is a balance problem and orthoics address that too but should be used after lateral adjustment does not provide relief. |
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Foot stress while roller skiing
Well, Gary, you are right as a skier, of course.
But custom made speedskates molded to your feet are, in essence, carbon orthoics. You do not want to use orthoics in these $1000 boots, it robbs the power and make you higher of the ground - baaad idea. And you need to shift the frame left and right as your technique changes and road condition and wether you skate indoor or outdoor too. Did I make myself clear? Skis are different and I would use orthoics in ski boots myself too. Rollerskiing is somewhere between roller skating and skiing and I find skiing boots clumsy, inefficient and too soft but we have to use them because that is what Rollerski Federation (and ski makers) indorse for competition. By the way ski boots are designed to have natural "tilt" in them to compensate pronation making wedges unnecessary for average person. But some people pronate more, those who can't edge the ski no matter what. |
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