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Isn't that what Harley dudes say when one of theirs crashes? (Help with
punctuation on "theirs" appreciated if necessary.)

How many of you have had a torn lateral meniscus in the knee and have had it
repaired?
Mine tore during hyperextension while slipping when mowing the lawn. That
yard work is dangerous stuff.

Please- only stories of successful surgery and quick recoveries.

BTW the doc that I used, who I traveled some distance to get to because of
his well deserved reputation for excellence says that it'll only get worse
if nothing is done.

I guess it's back to the boat for a while.

Feel free to top post.

Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY

Can't tell you of successful surgery and quick recovery, but I can tell =
you I have an appointment with an orthopedic surgeon next Wednesday for =
a knee injury.

June

"Gary Jacobson" wrote in message =
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Isn't that what Harley dudes say when one of theirs crashes? (Help =
with
punctuation on "theirs" appreciated if necessary.)
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How many of you have had a torn lateral meniscus in the knee and have =
had it
repaired?
Mine tore during hyperextension while slipping when mowing the lawn. =
That
yard work is dangerous stuff.
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Please- only stories of successful surgery and quick recoveries.
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BTW the doc that I used, who I traveled some distance to get to =
because of
his well deserved reputation for excellence says that it'll only get =
worse
if nothing is done.
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I guess it's back to the boat for a while.
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Feel free to top post.
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Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY
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Sorry to hear it Gary. First tear at 15, three months after rupturing
my ACL. In those days they thought the latter was vestigial. About 11
years ago I did more damage to that cartilege and, after getting nowhere
with Kaiser for 18 months, went to a knee specialist who did a great job
(have the video). Because I wasn't working through their clinic, my
rehab was largely on my own. Took a 20 mile cross-style road bike ride
at 2 wks and a 10 mile each way weekend backpack in the Sierras at 4
weeks (6k-10k altitude). My knee was badly swollen and I won't claim
that this regimen was the smartest, but then I don't really have a
comparison. Some docs are very conservative re recovery and some not.
Had to give up tennis and skating was hard to take for several years.

Docs probably won't give you petri dish grown cartilege because of your
age, but it's worth asking. In any event, diligent rehab in the
post-operative months is key for longer term benefit. As Lisa can
probably tell you, the knee is a joint and strengthening around it helps
compensate for any weakness. Quads, hamstrings, calves. Do be careful,
since full motion leg extensions can be hard on it. I do 30 degree max
and they work well. It's going to be a lifelong project.

There is the longer term issue, which is much debated in the field.
My sense is that bad 5-year results come from sedentary types, but
athletes do much better. But it will never be the same.

Gene


Gary Jacobson wrote:

Isn't that what Harley dudes say when one of theirs crashes? (Help with
punctuation on "theirs" appreciated if necessary.)

How many of you have had a torn lateral meniscus in the knee and have had it
repaired?
Mine tore during hyperextension while slipping when mowing the lawn. That
yard work is dangerous stuff.

Please- only stories of successful surgery and quick recoveries.

BTW the doc that I used, who I traveled some distance to get to because of
his well deserved reputation for excellence says that it'll only get worse
if nothing is done.

I guess it's back to the boat for a while.

Feel free to top post.

Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY

I had medial meniscus surgury two years ago (age 60). The meniscus had torn
near one end and the flap had folded under and was causing a lot of pain
under my kneecap. I went in for orthroscopic surgury, and was home the same
day, on crutches, with ice packs and Tylenol. I was walking without
crutches within 48 hours, and went for my first ski three weeks later (it
was classic, short, and probably too soon, but it was December, and I'm not
a patient man). The doc prescribed straight-leg quad lifts, building up to
three sets of 15 with 15llbs strapped to my ankle, and said as long as I did
those daily, I'd be fine.

If your operation looks straightforward, I highly recommend it, but do it in
the summer. Good luck!


Tim

on 18/6/04 18:15, Gary Jacobson wrote:

Isn't that what Harley dudes say when one of theirs crashes? (Help with
punctuation on "theirs" appreciated if necessary.)

How many of you have had a torn lateral meniscus in the knee and have had it
repaired?
Mine tore during hyperextension while slipping when mowing the lawn. That
yard work is dangerous stuff.

Please- only stories of successful surgery and quick recoveries.

BTW the doc that I used, who I traveled some distance to get to because of
his well deserved reputation for excellence says that it'll only get worse
if nothing is done.

I guess it's back to the boat for a while.

Feel free to top post.

Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY

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"Gary Jacobson" writes:


How many of you have had a torn lateral meniscus in the knee and have had it
repaired?

A car hit me head on while I was riding my bike which resulted in a torn
meniscus in addition to completely severed anterior and posterior cruciate
ligaments in my left knee. The orthopaedist only repaired the meniscus. On
account of my age (I was 33 at the time) he felt the repair had a 50-50 chance
of success. This was 1990. I believe that knee surgery has had some
incremental improvements in the intervening period.

Mine tore during hyperextension while slipping when mowing the lawn. That
yard work is dangerous stuff.

Please- only stories of successful surgery and quick recoveries.

Despite your plea, what took me from an initial assesment of "You'll be able
walk again if you're lucky" to riding in the 1993 USCF Master's National
Championship Road Race was many, many hours of grueling physical therapy.

BTW the doc that I used, who I traveled some distance to get to because of
his well deserved reputation for excellence says that it'll only get worse
if nothing is done.

I believe (however, I am neither a physician nor a therapist) that the physical
therapy is more important than the surgery. Ask your surgeon who he would see
for therapy!

I guess it's back to the boat for a while.

I hope to meet you at Van Hoevenberg this Winter! Good luck!

Feel free to top post.

Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY


Sincerely,

David (for the geekly, the fingerprint has my email address)

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My team mate had a meniscus tear repaired last summer. Yesterday, when
i asked him, he said his knee is fine, 'like nothing ever happened.' i
had a successful acl repair over five years ago. A soccer injury.
(before i started skiing competitively) i was lucky, my neighbor who is
a scrub nurse asked around and got a short list of surgeons for me to
consider. she told me to stay away from the guy i originally went to
see for a diagnosis. definitely find a sports oriented ortho doc!

I was off crutches in less than two days, my leg never atrophied because
you can do almost anything including play outfield without an acl.
After the repair, i was able to kneel and play soccer again . . . Good
as new, if not stronger (they put a beefier ligament in there farmed
from a cadaver's patella tendon, or from your own)


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You picked the wrong doc. By 1990, orthopedists knew enough about
ligaments to make repairs. Five years later it was near standard for
someone 33. Within a couple more docs were growing cartilege for
implant. People often don't realize until too late when they're dealing
with a "conservative" diagnostician.

Gene

david emile lamy wrote:

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"Gary Jacobson" writes:


How many of you have had a torn lateral meniscus in the knee and have had it
repaired?

A car hit me head on while I was riding my bike which resulted in a torn
meniscus in addition to completely severed anterior and posterior cruciate
ligaments in my left knee. The orthopaedist only repaired the meniscus. On
account of my age (I was 33 at the time) he felt the repair had a 50-50 chance
of success. This was 1990. I believe that knee surgery has had some
incremental improvements in the intervening period.

Mine tore during hyperextension while slipping when mowing the lawn. That
yard work is dangerous stuff.

Please- only stories of successful surgery and quick recoveries.

Despite your plea, what took me from an initial assesment of "You'll be able
walk again if you're lucky" to riding in the 1993 USCF Master's National
Championship Road Race was many, many hours of grueling physical therapy.

BTW the doc that I used, who I traveled some distance to get to because of
his well deserved reputation for excellence says that it'll only get worse
if nothing is done.

I believe (however, I am neither a physician nor a therapist) that the physical
therapy is more important than the surgery. Ask your surgeon who he would see
for therapy!

I guess it's back to the boat for a while.

I hope to meet you at Van Hoevenberg this Winter! Good luck!

Feel free to top post.

Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY


Sincerely,

David (for the geekly, the fingerprint has my email address)

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My cousin Morten is an orienteer like me, but after multiple knee
problems & operations, he can't run any more.

He'd like to get a pair of classic roller skis (skating is also out :-()
with brakes/speed reducers. What do you all recommend?

Terje

PS. For his 40th birtday he got a Vasaloppet bib, now he needs to get
into shape again so he can use it.

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Seems that Jenex is the only way to go if you want the most options for
reducing speed and real brakes.
www.jenex.com

Interesting discussion recently about classic wheel speed. I think that it
takes more skill to ski on a fast ski when doing anything but double pole no
kick.
I've been told from people in the Pro Ski camp that my Jenex 920's "are too
slow". Too tough for a long work out. I've considered going to the fastest
wheels-930.
But now I'm not so sure after reading Rob Bradley's post. Jenex would say
speed is irrelevant, it's the metabolic demands when using them that is
important, and if you want to prepare for ski racing then "slow" roller skis
match the demands of skiing. But then am I "racing" as a mid pack skier?

And then there is an old Swedish study that somehow arrived at the
conclusion that skiers need fast and slow, and light and heavy roller skis.
(Maybe funded by the International Association of Roller Ski Manufacturers).
That was before skating arrived on the scene. So now we need like 8 pairs of
roller skis.

Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY
AKA: Gary The Snail. And I have the hat to prove it.



"Terje Mathisen" wrote in message
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My cousin Morten is an orienteer like me, but after multiple knee
problems & operations, he can't run any more.

He'd like to get a pair of classic roller skis (skating is also out :-()
with brakes/speed reducers. What do you all recommend?

Terje

PS. For his 40th birtday he got a Vasaloppet bib, now he needs to get
into shape again so he can use it.

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"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"

Gary Jacobson wrote:

Seems that Jenex is the only way to go if you want the most options for
reducing speed and real brakes.
www.jenex.com

Interesting discussion recently about classic wheel speed. I think that it
takes more skill to ski on a fast ski when doing anything but double pole no
kick.
I've been told from people in the Pro Ski camp that my Jenex 920's "are too
slow". Too tough for a long work out. I've considered going to the fastest
wheels-930.

Thanks, I've told him to try to get the 920 or 920K, with the alu speed
reducers!

The only problem is that they dob't list any dealers closer than
Finland. :-(

Terje

But now I'm not so sure after reading Rob Bradley's post. Jenex would say
speed is irrelevant, it's the metabolic demands when using them that is
important, and if you want to prepare for ski racing then "slow" roller skis
match the demands of skiing. But then am I "racing" as a mid pack skier?

And then there is an old Swedish study that somehow arrived at the
conclusion that skiers need fast and slow, and light and heavy roller skis.
(Maybe funded by the International Association of Roller Ski Manufacturers).
That was before skating arrived on the scene. So now we need like 8 pairs of
roller skis.

Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY
AKA: Gary The Snail. And I have the hat to prove it.



"Terje Mathisen" wrote in message
...

My cousin Morten is an orienteer like me, but after multiple knee
problems & operations, he can't run any more.

He'd like to get a pair of classic roller skis (skating is also out :-()
with brakes/speed reducers. What do you all recommend?

Terje

PS. For his 40th birtday he got a Vasaloppet bib, now he needs to get
into shape again so he can use it.

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