kyoto update

"BrritSki" wrote in message
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How much would the U.S. fine be for not living up to the standards had
we been foolish enough to join? And would you supporters of the treaty
be willing to pay the bill? No. I thought not.


And how much is the cost of doing nothing?
Hint - Katrina, Ice storms and California burning are just the
beginning. It
only goes up from here.


Those things happen anyway. Where's the proof that it's caused by
global warming?


Thats the trouble. You're waiting for a smoking gun. When you see it it
will be years too late.
Isn't it enough that all the models scientists created 20-30 years ago
are happening now? Only difference - its happening faster than anybody
thought it would.

That just tells me that the models are wrong, not that they're right.


The fact that something is working at a faster rate than predicted tells you
its wrong?
Too conservative perhaps, but hardly wrong. I think you're reaching.





Just as the imminent ice-age theory about 30 years ago was wrong...

On Nov 30, 6:29 pm, "Norm" wrote:
"pigo" wrote in message

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Have you heard that Japan, Italy and Spain face $33 billion in fines
for NOT meeting their kyoto goals to reduce CO2? Do you suppose that
their populations will support the tax increase to pay those fines?
What is the UN going to do with that money? Give it to poor countries?
Income redistribution? Sounds more like socialism to me.

How many countries are going to live up to their kyoto requirements
anyway?

How much would the U.S. fine be for not living up to the standards had
we been foolish enough to join? And would you supporters of the treaty
be willing to pay the bill? No. I thought not.

And how much is the cost of doing nothing?
Hint - Katrina, Ice storms and California burning are just the beginning. It
only goes up from here.

There have always been hurricanes. Fewer than average or predicted
since Katrina FWIW. Same for ice storms and California burning. The
difference in Cal. is that people are moving further and further out
into the areas where the fire can overrun them. And there is probably
an element that has figured out when and where to start the fires for
maximum effect.

On Dec 1, 9:13 am, "Norm" wrote:
"Harry Weiner" wrote in message

How much would the U.S. fine be for not living up to the standards had
we been foolish enough to join? And would you supporters of the treaty
be willing to pay the bill? No. I thought not.

And how much is the cost of doing nothing?
Hint - Katrina, Ice storms and California burning are just the beginning.
It
only goes up from here.

Those things happen anyway. Where's the proof that it's caused by
global warming?

Thats the trouble. You're waiting for a smoking gun. When you see it it will
be years too late.
Isn't it enough that all the models scientists created 20-30 years ago are
happening now? Only difference - its happening faster than anybody thought
it would.- Hide quoted text -

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Hmmmmmmmm 30-35 years ago we were facing the next ice age?

On Dec 1, 10:32 am, "Norm" wrote:
"BrritSki" wrote in message

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How much would the U.S. fine be for not living up to the standards had
we been foolish enough to join? And would you supporters of the treaty
be willing to pay the bill? No. I thought not.

And how much is the cost of doing nothing?
Hint - Katrina, Ice storms and California burning are just the
beginning. It
only goes up from here.

Those things happen anyway. Where's the proof that it's caused by
global warming?

Thats the trouble. You're waiting for a smoking gun. When you see it it
will be years too late.
Isn't it enough that all the models scientists created 20-30 years ago
are happening now? Only difference - its happening faster than anybody
thought it would.
That just tells me that the models are wrong, not that they're right.

The fact that something is working at a faster rate than predicted tells you
its wrong?
Too conservative perhaps, but hardly wrong. I think you're reaching.





Just as the imminent ice-age theory about 30 years ago was wrong...- Hide quoted text -

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So why don't you go ahead and follow the example of all the GW
followers and massively reduce your consumption and comfort levels?
Just don't follow the example of the GW polititians and leaders and
use more than EVERYONE.

"pigo" wrote in message news:f2df1732-95bc-4a50-b07b-

How much would the U.S. fine be for not living up to the standards
had
we been foolish enough to join? And would you supporters of the
treaty
be willing to pay the bill? No. I thought not.

And how much is the cost of doing nothing?
Hint - Katrina, Ice storms and California burning are just the
beginning.
It
only goes up from here.

Those things happen anyway. Where's the proof that it's caused by
global warming?

Thats the trouble. You're waiting for a smoking gun. When you see it it
will
be years too late.
Isn't it enough that all the models scientists created 20-30 years ago
are
happening now? Only difference - its happening faster than anybody
thought
it would.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hmmmmmmmm 30-35 years ago we were facing the next ice age?

Who said that?

"pigo" wrote in message news:d4b41325-32ae-47d6-b5e1-

How much would the U.S. fine be for not living up to the standards
had
we been foolish enough to join? And would you supporters of the
treaty
be willing to pay the bill? No. I thought not.

And how much is the cost of doing nothing?
Hint - Katrina, Ice storms and California burning are just the
beginning. It
only goes up from here.

Those things happen anyway. Where's the proof that it's caused by
global warming?

Thats the trouble. You're waiting for a smoking gun. When you see it
it
will be years too late.
Isn't it enough that all the models scientists created 20-30 years ago
are happening now? Only difference - its happening faster than anybody
thought it would.
That just tells me that the models are wrong, not that they're right.

The fact that something is working at a faster rate than predicted tells
you
its wrong?
Too conservative perhaps, but hardly wrong. I think you're reaching.





Just as the imminent ice-age theory about 30 years ago was wrong...-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So why don't you go ahead and follow the example of all the GW
followers and massively reduce your consumption and comfort levels?
Just don't follow the example of the GW polititians and leaders and
use more than EVERYONE.


I do what I can. For starters I don't drive a GMC crew. I can pull a
moderate sized boat out with a half ton just fine.
You provided an example of one spokeperson who isn't doing all that he
preaches.
That doesn't change any part of the issue, it just means he should do more.

pigo wrote:

There have always been hurricanes. Fewer than average or predicted
since Katrina FWIW. Same for ice storms and California burning. The
difference in Cal. is that people are moving further and further out
into the areas where the fire can overrun them. And there is probably
an element that has figured out when and where to start the fires for
maximum effect.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4791257.stm

-klaus

On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:13:52 GMT, "Norm" wrote
this crap:

It
only goes up from here.


Those things happen anyway. Where's the proof that it's caused by
global warming?

Thats the trouble. You're waiting for a smoking gun. When you see it it will
be years too late.
Isn't it enough that all the models scientists created 20-30 years ago are
happening now? Only difference - its happening faster than anybody thought
it would.

Blah blah blah. Where's the proof of that? Where's the proof that
having a planet 3 degrees warmer is going to be harmful? Perhaps all
of Canada, and Siberia will become a paradise?




My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
ultimate power in the universe."

On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:16:53 -0800 (PST), pigo
wrote this crap:

So why don't you go ahead and follow the example of all the GW
followers and massively reduce your consumption and comfort levels?
Just don't follow the example of the GW polititians and leaders and
use more than EVERYONE.

I'm going to follow the lead of Algore. I'm going to jet around the
world, and rent big limos. I'm going to keep my 300,000 sq. ft.
mansion heated to 80 degrees, and then win the Nobel Prize.

(And just today, I threw a dime in the Salvation Army kettle at the
Wal-Mart. I'll bet Algore doesn't go to a Wal-Mart.)





My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
ultimate power in the universe."

On Dec 1, 12:33 pm, "Norm" wrote:
"pigo" wrote in message news:f2df1732-95bc-4a50-b07b-
How much would the U.S. fine be for not living up to the standards
had
we been foolish enough to join? And would you supporters of the
treaty
be willing to pay the bill? No. I thought not.

And how much is the cost of doing nothing?
Hint - Katrina, Ice storms and California burning are just the
beginning.
It
only goes up from here.

Those things happen anyway. Where's the proof that it's caused by
global warming?

Thats the trouble. You're waiting for a smoking gun. When you see it it
will
be years too late.
Isn't it enough that all the models scientists created 20-30 years ago
are
happening now? Only difference - its happening faster than anybody
thought
it would.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hmmmmmmmm 30-35 years ago we were facing the next ice age?

Who said that?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Cover of Time?