why it is illegal in USA

Hi,

I saw this in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaZq3Py4qsA Warren Miller's
"Higher Ground". they say it is illegal in USA - any idea why?

thx, A.

On Nov 22, 11:04 pm, alf ask@me wrote:
Hi,

I saw this inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaZq3Py4qsAWarren Miller's
"Higher Ground". they say it is illegal in USA - any idea why?

thx, A.

Probably because it is PURE INSANITY.

Yabahoobs wrote:
On Nov 22, 11:04 pm, alf ask@me wrote:
Hi,

I saw this inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaZq3Py4qsAWarren Miller's
"Higher Ground". they say it is illegal in USA - any idea why?

thx, A.

Probably because it is PURE INSANITY.

so they allow it in Europe then :-)?

alf wrote:
Hi,

I saw this in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaZq3Py4qsA Warren Miller's
"Higher Ground". they say it is illegal in USA - any idea why?

You mean "why does Miller say it's illegal in the US"? because he's in
the business of entertaining.

Or do you mean "why is it illegal in the US?" it's not.

lal_truckee wrote:
alf wrote:
Hi,

I saw this in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaZq3Py4qsA Warren
Miller's "Higher Ground". they say it is illegal in USA - any idea why?

I remember this from the WM of two years ago. Fantastic scenes. I
think they skipped my favorite one, though, that shows him roaring past
some mountain observation platform, with the people rushing from one
side to the other to see him go past.

You mean "why does Miller say it's illegal in the US"? because he's in
the business of entertaining.

Or do you mean "why is it illegal in the US?" it's not.

Well, it might be illegal, because flying things *are* regulated. You
surely can't skydive just anywhere or anytime, for example. In fact,
NASA's aviation incident report database has a section on
"Parachutist/Aircraft Conflicts"
http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/docs/rpsts/parachute.pdf.

Given the amount of horizontal travel that this guy seems to be doing,
and the extreme hairiness of his setup, I can see how it wouldn't be legal.

Dave

Dave Stallard wrote:
lal_truckee wrote:
alf wrote:
Hi,

I saw this in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaZq3Py4qsA Warren
Miller's "Higher Ground". they say it is illegal in USA - any idea why?

I remember this from the WM of two years ago. Fantastic scenes. I
think they skipped my favorite one, though, that shows him roaring past
some mountain observation platform, with the people rushing from one
side to the other to see him go past.



it was just amazing. and how close he was flying by trees only being 10
feet away. all is shown in behind scenes DVD is included in the
'collectors edition' I just purchased. BTW, it took like a week or so of
preparation to make that shooting.


Given the amount of horizontal travel that this guy seems to be doing,
and the extreme hairiness of his setup, I can see how it wouldn't be legal.

so it would mean that for ski gliding like this
http://tinyurl.com/2zwagn is illegal too?

A.

"alf" ask@me wrote in message
. ..
Hi,

I saw this in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaZq3Py4qsA Warren Miller's
"Higher Ground". they say it is illegal in USA - any idea why?

thx, A.

I used to jump but I haven't done it since the early 70's. At that time, I
remember that it was against USPA (US Parachute Assoc) regulations
to jump with 'webbed' suits. Actually, I think it was against regulation
to use any 'lift enhancements' to your jump suit. I don't know if it was
actually illegal, but since the only way you could legally jump was through
USPA (unless you military) you sorta had to go though their regs.

I have no idea about the regulations in effect today.

Mike

"alf" ask@me wrote in message
. ..
Hi,

I saw this in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaZq3Py4qsA Warren Miller's
"Higher Ground". they say it is illegal in USA - any idea why?

thx, A.

I did a quick check.

Flying with a 'wing suit' is not illegal as such. However, a wing suit
allows
for certain maneuvers to be preformed. And due to the way people use
them with a large forward velocity, they tend to 'dive' very close to the
ground and 'arc out' to a safe area. Well, relatively safe.

The problem is that in the USA this violates what is called the BSRs, or
basic safety regulations that stipulate minimum opening altitudes.

However, if this is a 'base jump' off a mountain, then the BSRs don't apply,
the jump is totally 'unregulated'.

Part 105 of the Federal Aviation Regulations prohibits skydiving in such a
way that might endager people or property (the skydiver is, of course,
excluded). The "suits" are not illegal, but conducting operations close to
people and structures is. The rule for aircraft is 500 feet of separation
from persons or property. I think the skydiver got much closer in Warren
Miller's film. In the US, this would be in violation of the regs. Europeans
tend to be much less frantic about these things... Just consider the
responses in this and related threads. Ignorance in observer typically
breeds accusations of insanity. Likewise, why put planks on your feet and
jump off a mountain? The reg for parachuters is cited below. Other
paragraphs in the section clarify the need for safety of people and property
not directly involved in the operation.

FAR Sec. 105.5 - General.

No person may conduct a parachute operation, and no pilot in command of an
aircraft may allow a parachute operation to be conducted from an aircraft,
if that operation creates a hazard to air traffic or to persons or property
on the surface.

"alf" ask@me wrote in message
. ..
Hi,

I saw this in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaZq3Py4qsA Warren Miller's
"Higher Ground". they say it is illegal in USA - any idea why?

thx, A.

As I said, BASE jumps are NOT parachute jumps, and are not regulated
by either FAA regulations or USPA BSRs.

IF it was a BASE jump.



"user" wrote in message
...
Part 105 of the Federal Aviation Regulations prohibits skydiving in such a
way that might endager people or property (the skydiver is, of course,
excluded). The "suits" are not illegal, but conducting operations close to
people and structures is. The rule for aircraft is 500 feet of separation
from persons or property. I think the skydiver got much closer in Warren
Miller's film. In the US, this would be in violation of the regs.
Europeans
tend to be much less frantic about these things... Just consider the
responses in this and related threads. Ignorance in observer typically
breeds accusations of insanity. Likewise, why put planks on your feet and
jump off a mountain? The reg for parachuters is cited below. Other
paragraphs in the section clarify the need for safety of people and
property
not directly involved in the operation.

FAR Sec. 105.5 - General.

No person may conduct a parachute operation, and no pilot in command of an
aircraft may allow a parachute operation to be conducted from an aircraft,
if that operation creates a hazard to air traffic or to persons or
property
on the surface.

"alf" ask@me wrote in message
. ..
Hi,

I saw this in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaZq3Py4qsA Warren Miller's
"Higher Ground". they say it is illegal in USA - any idea why?

thx, A.