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Did Babikov win final climb TdSki? Can't see it...
I heard that Babikov won the final climb of the TdSki but I just
watched it and, of course, that D. Cologne (sp) guy won it all, won the final climb, finished first, etc. No mention of Babikov. What's up, what did I miss? Thanks, JP |
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Did Babikov win final climb TdSki? Can't see it...
Go the the FIS site and look up the results for that day. You'll see a
1 next to Babikov for winning the final stage, which is different than Cologna's overall win TdS. Think of it as an interval start race. Gene jeff potter wrote: I heard that Babikov won the final climb of the TdSki but I just watched it and, of course, that D. Cologne (sp) guy won it all, won the final climb, finished first, etc. No mention of Babikov. What's up, what did I miss? Thanks, JP |
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Did Babikov win final climb TdSki? Can't see it...
On Jan 14, 6:16*am, wrote:
Go the the FIS site and look up the results for that day. *You'll see a 1 next to Babikov for winning the final stage, which is different than Cologna's overall win TdS. *Think of it as an interval start race. Or, perhaps, as a half-race: the skiers got only 50% - rounded to a full point, I believe - of the normal WC points. Or, maybe, as a non-race: the TdS wins and placings don't count - at least in the official FIS tally - as genuine World Cup wins and placings. BTW is Babikov a small guy or at least a guy with a relatively slight frame? In the women's race the two Norwegians, Johaug and Steira, won with an impressive gap and they certainly seem to have a highly favourable VO2max/weight ratio. Anders PS a bit of "bitch talk" and gossip: Virpi Kuitunen is well-known to abhor the final climb and especially the steep parts and after her victory she again voiced her opinion that the hill has nothing to do with cross-country skiing and the stage should be dropped. When the Swede Anna Haag - who was almost a minute and a half faster than Kuitunen on the climb - heard this, she said: "It's the hill that makes the Tour. The Tour is something special and it must stand out as unique among all the other races. Therefore I think there must be a hill of this kind, there are such a little bit extreme events in every other sport, too." Unlike Kuitunen, she doesn't find it to be a freak show for the sole benefit of TV viewers: "No, not at all. If you feel it's too tough and demanding, you must just train harder." The Swedish journalists were grateful for Haag's opinion's and approached Kuitunen for a comment: "Fine. Good for her." But Anna believes the hill characterizes the entire tour... "So where did she finish in the final ranking?" This was but another clash in the ongoing verbal battle which at least according to Swedish journalists is going on between Kuitunen and the Swedish skiers. In December, Kuitunen was branded as a poor loser and a player of mindgames when she pointed out that in the 2008 TdS it wasn't so much a case of Charlotte Kalla being great, but of her being really bad in the climb that year. Kuitunen also refused to single out or name Kalla as her main competitor. In Norway, much was made of the fact that a quite irritated Kuitunen complained of Marit Bjørgen's habit of stepping on her skis. Some Norwegians seemed to believe that Marit would never do such a thing and some opined that someone caught for a doping offense doesn't have any right to accuse anyone of anything. FWIW Kuitunen is definitely a cool lady or an ice princess and her - IMHO well-deserved - success has given her some diva-like qualities:-) On a lighter note: the latest hot gossip has it that Kuitunen is, hmmm, amorously involved with a certain Olympic gold medal winner. The little birds sing that the lucky guy is no other than Pietro Piller- Cottrer... Anders |
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Did Babikov win final climb TdSki? Can't see it...
On Jan 14, 2:31*am, Anders wrote:
On Jan 14, 6:16*am, wrote: Go the the FIS site and look up the results for that day. *You'll see a 1 next to Babikov for winning the final stage, which is different than Cologna's overall win TdS. *Think of it as an interval start race. Or, perhaps, as a half-race: the skiers got only 50% - rounded to a full point, I believe - of the normal WC points. Or, maybe, as a non-race: the TdS wins and placings don't count - at least in the official FIS tally - as genuine World Cup wins and placings. BTW is Babikov a small guy or at least a guy with a relatively slight frame? In the women's race the two Norwegians, Johaug and Steira, won with an impressive gap and they certainly seem to have a highly favourable VO2max/weight ratio. Anders PS a bit of "bitch talk" and gossip: Virpi Kuitunen is well-known to abhor the final climb and especially the steep parts and after her victory she again voiced her opinion that the hill has nothing to do with cross-country skiing and the stage should be dropped. When the Swede Anna Haag - who was almost a minute and a half faster than Kuitunen on the climb - heard this, she said: "It's the hill that makes the Tour. The Tour is something special and it must stand out as unique among all the other races. Therefore I think there must be a hill of this kind, there are such a little bit extreme events in every other sport, too." *Unlike Kuitunen, she doesn't find it to be a freak show for the sole benefit of TV viewers: "No, not at all. If you feel it's too tough and demanding, you must just train harder." The Swedish journalists were grateful for Haag's opinion's and approached Kuitunen for a comment: "Fine. Good for her." But Anna believes the hill characterizes the entire tour... "So where did she finish in the final ranking?" This was but another clash in the ongoing verbal battle which at least according to Swedish journalists is going on between Kuitunen and the Swedish skiers. In December, Kuitunen was branded as a poor loser and a player of mindgames when she pointed out that in the 2008 TdS it wasn't so much a case of Charlotte Kalla being great, but of her being really bad in the climb that year. Kuitunen also refused to single out or name Kalla as her main competitor. In Norway, much was made of the fact that a quite irritated Kuitunen complained of Marit Bjørgen's habit of stepping on her skis. Some Norwegians seemed to believe that Marit would never do such a thing and some opined that someone caught for a doping offense doesn't have any right to accuse anyone of anything. FWIW Kuitunen is definitely a cool lady or an ice princess and her - IMHO well-deserved - success has given her some diva-like qualities:-) On a lighter note: the latest hot gossip has it that Kuitunen is, hmmm, amorously involved with a certain Olympic gold medal winner. The little birds sing that the lucky guy is no other than Pietro Piller- Cottrer... Anders I wish the United States had a female skier like Kuitunen. She is talented, the Finnish press loves her, and she is very easy on the eyes. It must get frustrating being top dog and having rival nation reporters cramming microphones and loaded questions your face. Ski well Virpi! |
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Did Babikov win final climb TdSki? Can't see it...
Thanks for the correction and the updated press reports. My
understanding is that Kuitunen is not the only one who doesn't think much of the hill climb, by far. Aside from a relatively larger body, Kuitunen has back problems that are exacerbated skating, or at least V1 skating. Beyond that, do we have some national sour grapes? Gene Anders wrote: On Jan 14, 6:16*am, wrote: Go the the FIS site and look up the results for that day. *You'll see a 1 next to Babikov for winning the final stage, which is different than Cologna's overall win TdS. *Think of it as an interval start race. Or, perhaps, as a half-race: the skiers got only 50% - rounded to a full point, I believe - of the normal WC points. Or, maybe, as a non-race: the TdS wins and placings don't count - at least in the official FIS tally - as genuine World Cup wins and placings. BTW is Babikov a small guy or at least a guy with a relatively slight frame? In the women's race the two Norwegians, Johaug and Steira, won with an impressive gap and they certainly seem to have a highly favourable VO2max/weight ratio. Anders PS a bit of "bitch talk" and gossip: Virpi Kuitunen is well-known to abhor the final climb and especially the steep parts and after her victory she again voiced her opinion that the hill has nothing to do with cross-country skiing and the stage should be dropped. When the Swede Anna Haag - who was almost a minute and a half faster than Kuitunen on the climb - heard this, she said: "It's the hill that makes the Tour. The Tour is something special and it must stand out as unique among all the other races. Therefore I think there must be a hill of this kind, there are such a little bit extreme events in every other sport, too." Unlike Kuitunen, she doesn't find it to be a freak show for the sole benefit of TV viewers: "No, not at all. If you feel it's too tough and demanding, you must just train harder." The Swedish journalists were grateful for Haag's opinion's and approached Kuitunen for a comment: "Fine. Good for her." But Anna believes the hill characterizes the entire tour... "So where did she finish in the final ranking?" This was but another clash in the ongoing verbal battle which at least according to Swedish journalists is going on between Kuitunen and the Swedish skiers. In December, Kuitunen was branded as a poor loser and a player of mindgames when she pointed out that in the 2008 TdS it wasn't so much a case of Charlotte Kalla being great, but of her being really bad in the climb that year. Kuitunen also refused to single out or name Kalla as her main competitor. In Norway, much was made of the fact that a quite irritated Kuitunen complained of Marit Bjørgen's habit of stepping on her skis. Some Norwegians seemed to believe that Marit would never do such a thing and some opined that someone caught for a doping offense doesn't have any right to accuse anyone of anything. FWIW Kuitunen is definitely a cool lady or an ice princess and her - IMHO well-deserved - success has given her some diva-like qualities:-) On a lighter note: the latest hot gossip has it that Kuitunen is, hmmm, amorously involved with a certain Olympic gold medal winner. The little birds sing that the lucky guy is no other than Pietro Piller- Cottrer... Anders |
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Did Babikov win final climb TdSki? Can't see it...
On Jan 14, 1:31*am, Anders wrote:
On Jan 14, 6:16*am, wrote: Go the the FIS site and look up the results for that day. *You'll see a 1 next to Babikov for winning the final stage, which is different than Cologna's overall win TdS. *Think of it as an interval start race. On a lighter note: the latest hot gossip has it that Kuitunen is, hmmm, amorously involved with a certain Olympic gold medal winner. The little birds sing that the lucky guy is no other than Pietro Piller- Cottrer... Anders Great stuff! Love the insider information. A Kuitunen-Piller-Cottrer kid would be a pretty good skier, I'd bet. The national rivalries are very interesting, too - though any defense of Bjorgen at this point has to be made against the backdrop of her yearly fade-outs. |
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Did Babikov win final climb TdSki? Can't see it...
On Jan 13, 11:16*pm, wrote:
Go the the FIS site and look up the results for that day. *You'll see a 1 next to Babikov for winning the final stage, which is different than Cologna's overall win TdS. *Think of it as an interval start race. Gene jeff potter wrote: I heard that Babikov won the final climb of the TdSki but I just watched it and, of course, that D. Cologne (sp) guy won it all, won the final climb, finished first, etc. No mention of Babikov. What's up, what did I miss? Thanks, JP Weird. Are you sure? So the big finale shown on the video simply didn't feature or mention the STAGE WINNER? Just ignored possibly a bunch of skiers who finished faster, skied faster, probably looked better and more dynamic on the course, etc. They showed all kinds of gaps and stats. And it was all about the overall? In the TdF they know to cover both aspects. The US public can understand it. I find it hard to believe. So is it so? Since none of the other repliers doubt it, I suppose it is so. ....So is there any footage out there of the actual race? the stage? showing the stage leaders/winners? Lastly, I was thinking there might've been an interval start---except that the "leaders" were spread out in a typical mass-start fashion--- with a half dozen off the front---then a mass of a dozen struggling swarmers. Not the appearance of a finale that stems from an interval start, in my view. But this isn't a typical stage. Was that swarm the "bus"? Then I thought maybe they had done one of those "time back" staggered starts. Help? ---JP |
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Did Babikov win final climb TdSki? Can't see it...
jeff potter wrote:
Weird. Are you sure? So the big finale shown on the video simply didn't feature or mention the STAGE WINNER? Just ignored possibly a bunch of skiers who finished faster, skied faster, probably looked better and more dynamic on the course, etc. They showed all kinds of gaps and stats. And it was all about the overall? Not at all weird. They ran the final stage like the classic/freestyle two-stage pursuits, where the incoming leader starts first, and other skiers are released based on their overall time back. Therefore, the overall finish places for the entire tour are determined by the finish order at the top of the hill at the end of the final stage. The stage winner is not really important because the goal is getting the highest finish place at the top, so it is irrelevant to the leaders that someone behind them is moving up from around 50th to 20th place. Kuitunen, for example, seemed to go easier on the hill because she had a good lead, and could save something for the finish. You can watch all of the coverage of the Tour de Ski he http://www.universalsports.com/ViewA...ATCLID=3637389 If you are set up to receive digital TV, you can probably get Universal Sports (usually have an NBC peacock symbol with "US" on the top right corner of the screen) on one of the stations. I've gotten it free, broadcast over the air in Anchorage and San Jose. They seem like they are constantly replaying programs, including the Tour de Ski this week, but they don't seem to get listings in the local newspapers, so it's hit and miss finding when something is being broadcast. Have you watched any of the coverage of the pursuit in recent Olympics (since Nagano, I think)? They award a medal for classic on the first day, and then another medal for the pursuit on the second day, based on finish line order. No medal is awarded for fastest time on the second day, because strategy affects the times. |
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Did Babikov win final climb TdSki? Can't see it...
On Jan 14, 4:13*pm, Andrew Lee wrote:
jeff potter wrote: Weird. Are you sure? So the big finale shown on the video simply didn't feature or mention the STAGE WINNER? Just ignored possibly a bunch of skiers who finished faster, skied faster, probably looked better and more dynamic on the course, etc. They showed all kinds of gaps and stats. And it was all about the overall? Not at all weird. *They ran the final stage like the classic/freestyle two-stage pursuits, where the incoming leader starts first, and other skiers are released based on their overall time back. *Therefore, the overall finish places for the entire tour are determined by the finish order at the top of the hill at the end of the final stage. *The stage winner is not really important because the goal is getting the highest finish place at the top, so it is irrelevant to the leaders that someone behind them is moving up from around 50th to 20th place. Kuitunen, for example, seemed to go easier on the hill because she had a good lead, and could save something for the finish. You can watch all of the coverage of the Tour de Ski he http://www.universalsports.com/ViewA..._ID=23000&ATCL.... If you are set up to receive digital TV, you can probably get Universal Sports (usually have an NBC peacock symbol with "US" on the top right corner of the screen) on one of the stations. *I've gotten it free, broadcast over the air in Anchorage and San Jose. *They seem like they are constantly replaying programs, including the Tour de Ski this week, but they don't seem to get listings in the local newspapers, so it's hit and miss finding when something is being broadcast. Have you watched any of the coverage of the pursuit in recent Olympics (since Nagano, I think)? *They award a medal for classic on the first day, and then another medal for the pursuit on the second day, based on finish line order. *No medal is awarded for fastest time on the second day, because strategy affects the times. That's correct with respect to the Final Climb stage. You can see the men's start list - including the gaps between skiers as they leave the line - here http://www.tour-de-ski.com/pdf/2009/...09CC2558SL.pdf (note that the last 20 skiers - including stage winner Babikov - left in one wave, six minutes behind Cologna) and the "arrival order" here, which is the same as the overall TdS final standings: http://www.tour-de-ski.com/pdf/2009/...09CC2558AO.pdf The stage standings are different from the arrival order: http://www.tour-de-ski.com/pdf/2009/...09CC2558RL.pdf Medals aren't awarded like that in the double pursuit events now. The "skitahlon" is run continuously, classic first, and the first racer over the line, at the end of the second, skate leg, wins. |
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Did Babikov win final climb TdSki? Can't see it...
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:31:58 -0800 (PST), Anders
wrote: some opined that someone caught for a doping offense doesn't have any right to accuse anyone of anything. Hahaha. FWIW Kuitunen is definitely a cool lady or an ice princess and her - IMHO well-deserved - success has given her some diva-like qualities:-) I feel about here sort of likethe way I feel about Lance Armstrong - don't like her but admire her. |
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