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Dear All,
I am thinking about doing a ski marathon next winter. I was wondering how this might compare to training for a running marathon? Would a 45k ski marathon be the same as a 45k road marathon. |
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On 01/02/2011 3:05 PM, Neil wrote:
Dear All, I am thinking about doing a ski marathon next winter. I was wondering how this might compare to training for a running marathon? Would a 45k ski marathon be the same as a 45k road marathon. No much easier to ski 45 than run 45! |
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totally agree. much easier
less pounding, less TIME, easier all the way. glide is to your advantage, not much glide in running! JKal. "dwall" wrote in message ... On 01/02/2011 3:05 PM, Neil wrote: Dear All, I am thinking about doing a ski marathon next winter. I was wondering how this might compare to training for a running marathon? Would a 45k ski marathon be the same as a 45k road marathon. No much easier to ski 45 than run 45! |
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On Feb 1, 8:09*pm, "outsideinmi" wrote:
totally agree. *much easier less pounding, less TIME, easier all the way. glide is to your advantage, not much glide in running! JKal. "dwall" wrote in message ... On 01/02/2011 3:05 PM, Neil wrote: Dear All, I am thinking about doing a ski marathon next winter. I was wondering how this might compare to training for a running marathon? Would a 45k ski marathon be the same as a 45k road marathon. No much easier to ski 45 than run 45! No much easier to ski 45 than run 45 - agreed, I would focus on the technique and on the upper body strength (if already in shape due to running experience). |
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On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 20:05:56 -0000
"Neil" wrote: Dear All, I am thinking about doing a ski marathon next winter. I was wondering how this might compare to training for a running marathon? Would a 45k ski marathon be the same as a 45k road marathon. Depending on the course, easier in the sense that you get to use upper and lower body and get free glide some of the way, harder in that the energy demand is much greater. Of course, you can walk either. Gene |
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Neil wrote:
Dear All, I am thinking about doing a ski marathon next winter. I was wondering how this might compare to training for a running marathon? Would a 45k ski marathon be the same as a 45k road marathon. No, not at all, assuming you have decent skiing technique: The ski marathon has many more resting opportunities. In the old days we had to ski for 1.5 hours for every hour we were allowed to enter in the (orienteering) training diary. OTOH, if you have done a lot of running, including several marathons (of the 42+K kind), and started skiing more recently, then the ski race might take a lot out of you. :-) Terje -- - Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching" |
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Depending on the course, easier in the sense that you get to use upper and lower body and get free glide some of the way, harder in that the energy demand is much greater. Of course, you can walk either. Gene I'd be interested to see data on this Gene. If you ran a 2:45 marathon (42k) and skied a 2:45 (42k) marathon, how much would the energy requirements differ? work = force x distance, so if you are going the same difference I would think that the force required to make you move would be SMALLER for skiing. That glide is a huge advantage in calorie savings? JKal. |
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outsideinmi wrote:
Depending on the course, easier in the sense that you get to use upper and lower body and get free glide some of the way, harder in that the energy demand is much greater. Of course, you can walk either. Gene I'd be interested to see data on this Gene. If you ran a 2:45 marathon (42k) and skied a 2:45 (42k) marathon, how much would the energy requirements differ? work = force x distance, so if you are going the same difference I would think that the force required to make you move would be SMALLER for skiing. That glide is a huge advantage in calorie savings? Glide is everything! Take a look at the logical endpoint of skating with _very_ good glide: Ice skating manages nearly 60 km/h on the sprint distances, and nearly 50 km/h on a 10k race: At those speeds wind resistance is huge, large enough to force them to skate with a totally flat upper body. In comparison Mr Bolt gets up to 45 km/h or so as his top speed, and nobody is even close to matching the 10K speed of skiers while running. Terje -- - Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching" |
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On Wed, 2 Feb 2011 08:15:23 -0500
"outsideinmi" wrote: Depending on the course, easier in the sense that you get to use upper and lower body and get free glide some of the way, harder in that the energy demand is much greater. Of course, you can walk either. Gene I'd be interested to see data on this Gene. If you ran a 2:45 marathon (42k) and skied a 2:45 (42k) marathon, how much would the energy requirements differ? work = force x distance, so if you are going the same difference I would think that the force required to make you move would be SMALLER for skiing. That glide is a huge advantage in calorie savings? I don't know if there are any comparative studies, tho wouldn't be surprised if there are. My only personal comparison is between 10k's, where running is not even close in energy output (as fatigue). It just seems logical to me that if you are using more muscle groups and working against the resistance of the snow - and add uphills - the energy demand is going to be greater. Or at least you're going to feel a lot more fatigued. Runners with decent technique and training float downhills using relatively little energy. How much skiers can do that depends on the course. And on a lots of courses, maybe most, rest is often either short or effectively eliminated by corners and extended downhills, etc. Remember, skiing most technical and extended downhills (e.g., Marquette) requires a great deal of concentration, as well as physical movement. Road runners don't typically face those demands in nearly the same quantity. Gene |
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