Mark B. Hoover of Florida Blames Victims For Crimes Committed by His Friends

Fun, fun.
I love exposing liars and freaks for the amoral scumbags they are.
More of a taste of the psychopathic rationalizations of Mark B. Hoover
of Florida.






On 5/29/04 12:58 PM, "Mark B Hoover" wrote:

Have it your way, Scott. But do it under Bert's auspices, not mine.

Under Berts auspices? I get it. You will censor any discussion of
your dishonesty, amorality, and utter lack of ethics. Id rather
discuss you on rsa. So anyone who runs a search on your name gets a
taste of what you are REALLY like under the façade: roll over the
rock and see the rot.

The rsa antics had all but killed the remnants of what used to be a
fine and evocative NG. You've no one else to blame but yourself.

Typical rationalization of a liar caught lying. You are blaming me
for the stalking, for the death threats, for the real world crimes
your new friends committed over a stupid newsgroup. You are blaming
me for the filth, the insanity, the lies. One problem, freak. Unlike
you, Im not a liar.
You truly are a vile, manipulative, gutless coward. Like the
criminals you call friends, you blame the victim for the crimes of
your fellow freaks.
But Ill play your game, Mark. If you are falsely accused of
molesting children in Florida newsgroups and to your employer (as
happened to Bert and I at the hands of posters to your private
newsgroup), you have no one to blame but yourself. Fair is fair,
right? Your rules, your ethics, right? Got a problem with that,
freak? Because you sure dont have a problem with your friends doing
that to us.
Heres another clue, freak. Your newsgroup will never be fine or
evocative. Because the moderator has no balls. No guts. No
integrity. And attracts the same kind of disgusting freak.


I won't shoulder the inequities you think life has heaped upon you
and sincerely feel sorry for what has befallen you and Bert at the
hands of the persons you name.

What an outright lie! Clue time. If you have any moral or ethical
problems, you dont invite the perpetrators of the crimes to post in
your newsgroup. You did. Caught lying again like the sick freak you
are.

I can't place restrictions on my life or activities based upon your
misfortunes, though.

Amazing. You mean you cant have any moral or ethical standards?
Hey, freak? When did FELONIES committed by your friends become
MISFORTUNES? Fortunately, I wont place any restrictions on
publishing your lies and rationalizations where others can appreciate
your dishonesty.

Again, I started the NG for my own purposes, it used to be
men.florida. I extended no invites, and certainly no intention to
disparage Bert whatsoever.


Another outright lie. Clue time. When you invite stalking criminals
who called Bert a child molester to post in your group, you disparage
Bert. When you are civil to those who threatened his life and that of
his family, you disparage Bert.
Posted to rsa, since you will continue to censor any discussion of
your despicable behavior on your private newsgroup.
What a fraud you are! What a disgusting, despicable, manipulative
coward? Go stuff your wolf parables up your ass, Bert and I are
laughing our asses off at your duplicity and utter lack of any
integrity.

Mark

----- Original Message -----

From: Scott Abraham

To: Mark B Hoover ;

Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 3:33 PM

Subject: Mark, you disgust me





On 5/29/04 11:58 AM, "Mark B Hoover"
wrote:


Don't hold back, Scott. Say what you think or believe.

Just did, scumbag.

My group is not invite-only, it is as open-domain as is mensbbs. I
welcome anyone with on-topic contributions no matter their origin.

Nevertheless, you invited the rsa freaks to participate. Lie some
more.
No matter how criminal their behavior, no matter how vile, no matter
how disgusting, no matter how amoral.
Sounds like Nazi reasoning to me. You know what those freaks have
done, and you invited them in.
You dont mind if I treat YOU the way they treated me, ok? Fair is
fair, right?

I'd had discussions with Bert relative to this, perhaps not as it
has happened, but doing my own NG nonetheless.

Another example of your dishonesty. You did it behind his back and
did not discuss forming the newsgroup with him. Period. You belong
with your new freak friends. You lie like they do.

Bert had mentioned his desire to keep the name mensbbs should he
leave Annex, and I have had lengthy discussions with him, Ishie and
Gregory regarding the continuous degradation and incitement on
mensbbs.

Might that have something to do with people like you having no
discernible moral or ethical standards? Freaks stalk, you are
friendly with them. Freaks lie, you invite them to participate.
Freaks defame, you kiss their ass. You conscience is degraded,
asshole.

None of the old group will frequent mensbbs due to the nature of the
resident misogynists and enmity. Newcomers have been treated with
hatred and disparagement. I created men.online for personal reasons
as well as for a place for the old group to some day reconvene, if
desired.

You created that sick newsgroup as a place your pathetic ego could
get stroked. Then you invited the haters and the liars into your
group

Bert had been offered a one-time deal from Gregory, unique among all
NGs on the server. That was resultant from his and your persistent
incursions on usenet and the reciprocal attacks on Annex. It was
close to the point mensbbs was going to be closed.

As I was saying about lying and defamation? INCURSIONS? You mean
stalking from your new friends, dont you? Reciprocal attacks my ass,
you disgusting liar. You bought into the rationalizations of the
criminals and stalkers, and you justify stalking with your insane
lies.

I have accused you and Bert of nothing.

You just did, freak. You just lied about the situation and repeated
the lies of criminals.

I have only upheld his sanctions against the blacklisted posters. I
cannot re-create the atmosphere, though, of mensbbs with such
restrictions without countering Bert. Which I have no desire to do.
You need to mend your own fences, I never ventured into that arena of
hostility. I got it second hand from other Sysops on this server. I
tried to remain objective, but find it difficult with others'
prejudices and agendas claiming the forefront.


What utter crap! What a ludicrous rationalization! They stalk me,
you kiss their ass and blame me for their stalking.

I cautioned all of those whom you detest at the onset, and have had
none, absolutely none, of them mention you or Bert in any way. All
responses were on topic. I would call that being fair.

I call it being an amoral asshole. I call it being dishonest and
manipulative. They call me a child molester and rapist on a regular
basis. The mere fact that they dont do it on your board is
immaterial. Go stuff another Jew in the oven, freak.

They knew damned well one strike and they would be out. If the
messages haven't scrolled off, you can see that for yourself. I
figured if they came to my NG with an agenda, they would quickly
realize their delusion and go away. Participation is low right now,
and time will tell if they last there at all. I made no announcements,
no invitations, no attempt to divert traffic from mensbbs
whatsoever.

Bull****. You lie again.

I've always considered Bert a friend and owe him a great deal for
helping me get started in this format. I continue to monitor mensbbs
as well as about thirty other NGs on AnnexCafe. I answer to no one
but Gregory and Ishie now, yet continue in my loyalty to Bert. There
are just some directions I could not take on mensbbs that I wished to
do, so I formed my own NG. It's a wide world.

LOYALTY? What utter crap. You just backstabbed him and invited
people who have threatened his life to participate in your sick
newsgroup.

Ironic that you should bring our faith into this. If I were to accept
at face value what you say of these people, it would differ in no way
whatsoever from the attitude toward Jews for being Jews. I don't
question a person's past, life beyond the forum or judge according to
another's prejudices. I just want to have a mirror site to the new
women's board on Annex and have a great relationship with the
moderators there as well as the rest of my Sysop group on Annex.


I bring faith into it because I love catching liars and manipulators
in the act, and your act is truly revolting. What part of death
threats dont you approve of? False accusations of molesting
children? Real life stalking? Real life felonies? Typical amoral
rationalization for standing by and doing nothing. Your new freak
friends are laughing at you. You disgust me. I DO judge people on
what they do, and I judge you to be an amoral, manipulative liar with
no moral and ethical integrity. Go stuff another Jew in the oven,
Nazi.

I am in no way responsible for or part of what has happened to you
and Bert as a result of your participation elsewhere. It has come to
the point that your responses are so predictable I could set an
auto-delete and not have to monitor on mensbbs.

Truth hurts, doesnt it, freak. Morals. Ethics. Decency.
Predicable that I would condemn your amorality, and that you do not
discuss your support of terrorism, criminals, and stalkers. Clue
time. Your sick friends call my responses predictable, too, and say
exactly the same thing.

I can't do a thing about that chip on your shoulder, what has
happened in your life or what you incur as a result of your actions
outside of this forum

Like the amoral asshole you are, you blame the victim and encourage
the criminals. Nazi logic.

I do have control over what happens in my own domain, however, and
absolutely no qualms in applying my rules (AnnexCafe's, as well) in
men.online. I sensed something like this when you posted your John
Wayne pic. No one will defile men.online.

Youve already defiled it by allow psychopaths and criminals to post
there while forming the group in secret, betraying trust. Your
******** is built on a foundation of lies, manipulations, and amoral
acts. Shame that you do not have the conscience to see your own
manipulations will come home to haunt you. Im gonna laugh my ass
off when you get what you deserve.


I've acted consistently with Bert's desires on mensbbs and always in
his behalf, even tolerating your outbursts because of your
relationship. I am not confined to such straits, now.

Not confined to any moral or ethical questions about your behavior,
because you can and will censor any post that refers to your
dishonesty and utter lack of integrity. You belong on rsa: just
another psychopathic freak rationalizing his evil by projecting it on
others.


And have yet to go to usenet, there's no attraction there for me.



Peace be with you.



Kiss my ass, you disgusting, despicable asshole. Im sure you dont
mind if I falsely accuse YOU of molesting children on usenet, using
your real name and your real location, including sending such
information to your employers. Thats what your buddies have done to
me, after all, and that is what you implicitly condone by allowing
them to post to your board. Not to mention they did it on mens.bbs,
too, so you cannot plead ignorance.
Fair is fair, isnt it? After all, I cant be responsible for what
happens on usenet and what you have brought upon yourself by your
behavior on annexcafe. (Sound familiar, freak?)
You revolt me. Your utter lack of any decency, any integrity, any
moral or ethical standards is truly disgusting.
I am ashamed to be called a Jew when freaks like you give all of us a
bad name with your sick, amoral behavior.
Go find a conscience, asshole.
I can only hope that your new friends turn on you the way they turned
on me and give you a taste of what they are.
But that will never happen.
Because you are one of them: a manipulative, dishonest pathological
liar. A gutless coward who gets his jollies with his passive
aggressive power games, a truly despicable wimp, a man utterly
without any moral or ethical integrity.
Predicatable, isnt it? Youve heard it before and youll hear it
again, as long as you live, every time a real man sees your for the
freak you are.
Go kiss the ass of your fellow freaks, freak. They are your kind of
people: perverts, criminals, obsessed prevaricators, stalkers, and
liars who attack their betters while hiding behind their computers.



I just happened to stumble upon your private newsgroup, an
invitation only backstab.
And I found the criminals who have stalked me, defamed me, and
threatened my life welcome in your cesspool.
You disgust me.
What part of falsely accusing Bert and I of molesting children don't
you approve of? What part of participating in a criminal conspiracy
of real life harassment and felony crimes don't you approve of?
What part of horrible lies, gross defamations, internet and real
life stalking don't you approve of?
How DARE you make any comment on morals or ethics when you consort
with the vile people you welcome to your newsgroup? And worst yet,
do it behind Bert's back, hiding and manipulating.
You're a fraud. Truly a pathological liar, a man without any moral
or ethical standards, a gutless coward. You capitulate to evil
rather than fight it.
Your sick little newsgroup is a reflection of your own pathetic ego.
When your new friends Bev Ashley, Bob Thompson, Dave, and the rest
are getting together and lying to my licensing agency trying to cost
me my livelihood, when they are making sick jokes accusing Bert of
molesting his children, you kiss their ass.
You're the kind of Jew that stuffed fellow Jews into the ovens, a
man utterly without integrity or ethics.
I am ashamed that scum like you share my religion. But you surely
don't share my values: I won't associate with stalking net freaks,
criminals, and psychopaths.
You make friends with such filth. Over in rsa, they call me a child
molester. And you are civil to such freaks.
Have you NO decency? NO ethical standards?
I am ashamed I ever was civil to you. You fooled me. You are
nothing but a dishonest, manipulative freak. You belong on usenet,
with your new friends.

**** off, asshole.

In article ,
(Two Buddha) wrote:

Fun, fun.
I love exposing liars and freaks for the amoral scumbags they are.
More of a taste of the psychopathic rationalizations of Mark B. Hoover
of Florida.


And of course, you didn't find anything wrong with posting to his group,
now did you?






On 5/29/04 12:58 PM, "Mark B Hoover" wrote:

Have it your way, Scott. But do it under Bert's auspices, not mine.

Under Berts auspices? I get it. You will censor any discussion of
your dishonesty, amorality, and utter lack of ethics. Id rather
discuss you on rsa. So anyone who runs a search on your name gets a
taste of what you are REALLY like under the façade: roll over the
rock and see the rot.

The rsa antics had all but killed the remnants of what used to be a
fine and evocative NG. You've no one else to blame but yourself.

Typical rationalization of a liar caught lying. You are blaming me
for the stalking, for the death threats, for the real world crimes
your new friends committed over a stupid newsgroup. You are blaming
me for the filth, the insanity, the lies. One problem, freak. Unlike
you, Im not a liar.
You truly are a vile, manipulative, gutless coward. Like the
criminals you call friends, you blame the victim for the crimes of
your fellow freaks.
But Ill play your game, Mark. If you are falsely accused of
molesting children in Florida newsgroups and to your employer (as
happened to Bert and I at the hands of posters to your private
newsgroup), you have no one to blame but yourself. Fair is fair,
right? Your rules, your ethics, right? Got a problem with that,
freak? Because you sure dont have a problem with your friends doing
that to us.
Heres another clue, freak. Your newsgroup will never be fine or
evocative. Because the moderator has no balls. No guts. No
integrity. And attracts the same kind of disgusting freak.


I won't shoulder the inequities you think life has heaped upon you
and sincerely feel sorry for what has befallen you and Bert at the
hands of the persons you name.

What an outright lie! Clue time. If you have any moral or ethical
problems, you dont invite the perpetrators of the crimes to post in
your newsgroup. You did. Caught lying again like the sick freak you
are.

I can't place restrictions on my life or activities based upon your
misfortunes, though.

Amazing. You mean you cant have any moral or ethical standards?
Hey, freak? When did FELONIES committed by your friends become
MISFORTUNES? Fortunately, I wont place any restrictions on
publishing your lies and rationalizations where others can appreciate
your dishonesty.

Again, I started the NG for my own purposes, it used to be
men.florida. I extended no invites, and certainly no intention to
disparage Bert whatsoever.


Another outright lie. Clue time. When you invite stalking criminals
who called Bert a child molester to post in your group, you disparage
Bert. When you are civil to those who threatened his life and that of
his family, you disparage Bert.
Posted to rsa, since you will continue to censor any discussion of
your despicable behavior on your private newsgroup.
What a fraud you are! What a disgusting, despicable, manipulative
coward? Go stuff your wolf parables up your ass, Bert and I are
laughing our asses off at your duplicity and utter lack of any
integrity.

Mark

----- Original Message -----

From: Scott Abraham

To: Mark B Hoover ;

Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 3:33 PM

Subject: Mark, you disgust me





On 5/29/04 11:58 AM, "Mark B Hoover"
wrote:


Don't hold back, Scott. Say what you think or believe.

Just did, scumbag.

My group is not invite-only, it is as open-domain as is mensbbs. I
welcome anyone with on-topic contributions no matter their origin.

Nevertheless, you invited the rsa freaks to participate. Lie some
more.
No matter how criminal their behavior, no matter how vile, no matter
how disgusting, no matter how amoral.
Sounds like Nazi reasoning to me. You know what those freaks have
done, and you invited them in.
You dont mind if I treat YOU the way they treated me, ok? Fair is
fair, right?

I'd had discussions with Bert relative to this, perhaps not as it
has happened, but doing my own NG nonetheless.

Another example of your dishonesty. You did it behind his back and
did not discuss forming the newsgroup with him. Period. You belong
with your new freak friends. You lie like they do.

Bert had mentioned his desire to keep the name mensbbs should he
leave Annex, and I have had lengthy discussions with him, Ishie and
Gregory regarding the continuous degradation and incitement on
mensbbs.

Might that have something to do with people like you having no
discernible moral or ethical standards? Freaks stalk, you are
friendly with them. Freaks lie, you invite them to participate.
Freaks defame, you kiss their ass. You conscience is degraded,
asshole.

None of the old group will frequent mensbbs due to the nature of the
resident misogynists and enmity. Newcomers have been treated with
hatred and disparagement. I created men.online for personal reasons
as well as for a place for the old group to some day reconvene, if
desired.

You created that sick newsgroup as a place your pathetic ego could
get stroked. Then you invited the haters and the liars into your
group

Bert had been offered a one-time deal from Gregory, unique among all
NGs on the server. That was resultant from his and your persistent
incursions on usenet and the reciprocal attacks on Annex. It was
close to the point mensbbs was going to be closed.

As I was saying about lying and defamation? INCURSIONS? You mean
stalking from your new friends, dont you? Reciprocal attacks my ass,
you disgusting liar. You bought into the rationalizations of the
criminals and stalkers, and you justify stalking with your insane
lies.

I have accused you and Bert of nothing.

You just did, freak. You just lied about the situation and repeated
the lies of criminals.

I have only upheld his sanctions against the blacklisted posters. I
cannot re-create the atmosphere, though, of mensbbs with such
restrictions without countering Bert. Which I have no desire to do.
You need to mend your own fences, I never ventured into that arena of
hostility. I got it second hand from other Sysops on this server. I
tried to remain objective, but find it difficult with others'
prejudices and agendas claiming the forefront.


What utter crap! What a ludicrous rationalization! They stalk me,
you kiss their ass and blame me for their stalking.

I cautioned all of those whom you detest at the onset, and have had
none, absolutely none, of them mention you or Bert in any way. All
responses were on topic. I would call that being fair.

I call it being an amoral asshole. I call it being dishonest and
manipulative. They call me a child molester and rapist on a regular
basis. The mere fact that they dont do it on your board is
immaterial. Go stuff another Jew in the oven, freak.

They knew damned well one strike and they would be out. If the
messages haven't scrolled off, you can see that for yourself. I
figured if they came to my NG with an agenda, they would quickly
realize their delusion and go away. Participation is low right now,
and time will tell if they last there at all. I made no announcements,
no invitations, no attempt to divert traffic from mensbbs
whatsoever.

Bull****. You lie again.

I've always considered Bert a friend and owe him a great deal for
helping me get started in this format. I continue to monitor mensbbs
as well as about thirty other NGs on AnnexCafe. I answer to no one
but Gregory and Ishie now, yet continue in my loyalty to Bert. There
are just some directions I could not take on mensbbs that I wished to
do, so I formed my own NG. It's a wide world.

LOYALTY? What utter crap. You just backstabbed him and invited
people who have threatened his life to participate in your sick
newsgroup.

Ironic that you should bring our faith into this. If I were to accept
at face value what you say of these people, it would differ in no way
whatsoever from the attitude toward Jews for being Jews. I don't
question a person's past, life beyond the forum or judge according to
another's prejudices. I just want to have a mirror site to the new
women's board on Annex and have a great relationship with the
moderators there as well as the rest of my Sysop group on Annex.


I bring faith into it because I love catching liars and manipulators
in the act, and your act is truly revolting. What part of death
threats dont you approve of? False accusations of molesting
children? Real life stalking? Real life felonies? Typical amoral
rationalization for standing by and doing nothing. Your new freak
friends are laughing at you. You disgust me. I DO judge people on
what they do, and I judge you to be an amoral, manipulative liar with
no moral and ethical integrity. Go stuff another Jew in the oven,
Nazi.

I am in no way responsible for or part of what has happened to you
and Bert as a result of your participation elsewhere. It has come to
the point that your responses are so predictable I could set an
auto-delete and not have to monitor on mensbbs.

Truth hurts, doesnt it, freak. Morals. Ethics. Decency.
Predicable that I would condemn your amorality, and that you do not
discuss your support of terrorism, criminals, and stalkers. Clue
time. Your sick friends call my responses predictable, too, and say
exactly the same thing.

I can't do a thing about that chip on your shoulder, what has
happened in your life or what you incur as a result of your actions
outside of this forum

Like the amoral asshole you are, you blame the victim and encourage
the criminals. Nazi logic.

I do have control over what happens in my own domain, however, and
absolutely no qualms in applying my rules (AnnexCafe's, as well) in
men.online. I sensed something like this when you posted your John
Wayne pic. No one will defile men.online.

Youve already defiled it by allow psychopaths and criminals to post
there while forming the group in secret, betraying trust. Your
******** is built on a foundation of lies, manipulations, and amoral
acts. Shame that you do not have the conscience to see your own
manipulations will come home to haunt you. Im gonna laugh my ass
off when you get what you deserve.


I've acted consistently with Bert's desires on mensbbs and always in
his behalf, even tolerating your outbursts because of your
relationship. I am not confined to such straits, now.

Not confined to any moral or ethical questions about your behavior,
because you can and will censor any post that refers to your
dishonesty and utter lack of integrity. You belong on rsa: just
another psychopathic freak rationalizing his evil by projecting it on
others.


And have yet to go to usenet, there's no attraction there for me.



Peace be with you.



Kiss my ass, you disgusting, despicable asshole. Im sure you dont
mind if I falsely accuse YOU of molesting children on usenet, using
your real name and your real location, including sending such
information to your employers. Thats what your buddies have done to
me, after all, and that is what you implicitly condone by allowing
them to post to your board. Not to mention they did it on mens.bbs,
too, so you cannot plead ignorance.
Fair is fair, isnt it? After all, I cant be responsible for what
happens on usenet and what you have brought upon yourself by your
behavior on annexcafe. (Sound familiar, freak?)
You revolt me. Your utter lack of any decency, any integrity, any
moral or ethical standards is truly disgusting.
I am ashamed to be called a Jew when freaks like you give all of us a
bad name with your sick, amoral behavior.
Go find a conscience, asshole.
I can only hope that your new friends turn on you the way they turned
on me and give you a taste of what they are.
But that will never happen.
Because you are one of them: a manipulative, dishonest pathological
liar. A gutless coward who gets his jollies with his passive
aggressive power games, a truly despicable wimp, a man utterly
without any moral or ethical integrity.
Predicatable, isnt it? Youve heard it before and youll hear it
again, as long as you live, every time a real man sees your for the
freak you are.
Go kiss the ass of your fellow freaks, freak. They are your kind of
people: perverts, criminals, obsessed prevaricators, stalkers, and
liars who attack their betters while hiding behind their computers.



I just happened to stumble upon your private newsgroup, an
invitation only backstab.
And I found the criminals who have stalked me, defamed me, and
threatened my life welcome in your cesspool.
You disgust me.
What part of falsely accusing Bert and I of molesting children don't
you approve of? What part of participating in a criminal conspiracy
of real life harassment and felony crimes don't you approve of?
What part of horrible lies, gross defamations, internet and real
life stalking don't you approve of?
How DARE you make any comment on morals or ethics when you consort
with the vile people you welcome to your newsgroup? And worst yet,
do it behind Bert's back, hiding and manipulating.
You're a fraud. Truly a pathological liar, a man without any moral
or ethical standards, a gutless coward. You capitulate to evil
rather than fight it.
Your sick little newsgroup is a reflection of your own pathetic ego.
When your new friends Bev Ashley, Bob Thompson, Dave, and the rest
are getting together and lying to my licensing agency trying to cost
me my livelihood, when they are making sick jokes accusing Bert of
molesting his children, you kiss their ass.
You're the kind of Jew that stuffed fellow Jews into the ovens, a
man utterly without integrity or ethics.
I am ashamed that scum like you share my religion. But you surely
don't share my values: I won't associate with stalking net freaks,
criminals, and psychopaths.
You make friends with such filth. Over in rsa, they call me a child
molester. And you are civil to such freaks.
Have you NO decency? NO ethical standards?
I am ashamed I ever was civil to you. You fooled me. You are
nothing but a dishonest, manipulative freak. You belong on usenet,
with your new friends.

**** off, asshole.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."