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VtSkier wrote:
Oh, and how does one get familiar with a lift without riding it? So the newby's responsibility is to tell the liftie that he/she is a newby and would you please slow the thing down so I can get the feel of it and not have any immediate accidents. Now THAT would be difficult for a limited English speaker to comprehend, especially in the five to ten seconds or so available. And I think "STOP THE CHAIR" would be a better call to the liftie, as "STOP" is less ambiguous than "HOLD" for one who may not speak English too well. I would think that any panicked yell would do. A simple scream ought to be sufficient to indicate that there's some sort of problem. If that's what you wanted. See, I'm a little confused by the ambiguity. See above about newby lift riders. When you feel like bitching about lifties, try to imagine yourself doing this job day in and day out. Then imagine yourself doing this job for around $8.50 per hour. I'd rather do that than clean toilets, wouldn't you? -- Cheers, Bev ============================================= You need only two tools: WD-40 and duct tape. If it doesn't move and it should, use WD-40. If it moves and shouldn't, use duct tape. |
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"See below about newby lift riders. Also, how does one lie
"flat on the ground" with skis on? Inquiring minds... Yes, I've helped people who have crashed on exiting by making sure they keep their heads down. Like I said above, my friend went on the beginner hill 3 times...the first time Off the lift, he fell, no big deal, everyone falls. But the second time, he fell right in front of the lift, even the operator yelled out "WATCH YOUR HEAD", man the lift just barely missed his head. Thats why on the 3rd trip up, I told the lift (when we are getting on) to Hold the chair...cuz I didnt want my friend getting hurt. I didnt notice it all, cuz I was trying to get on the lift myself (Im not good at it either). But I know he fell, and his skis both popped off (maybe one got knocked off by the lift?)...I think he layed down sideways as the lift went over his head....he told me later that he ducked down and looked out of the corner of his eye at the chair to avoid it. The operator stopped the lift about 2 feet past the boarding area. And he helped my friend put both skis back on...then we went up the hill. |
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wrote in message
oups.com... Ok, my friend and I got to Mountain Creek about 8:30, got our tickets and rentals. Got on the learning slope around 9:15, went down the hill twice (its about 200 feet) Bummer to hear about the lift and rental problems. Hey, what do you think of that Bode Miller guy? -- Marty |
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wrote in message oups.com... holding the chair was the done thing. Lifts and lift operations have both changed since then, and nowadays lift operators are more likely to concentrate their efforts on getting people to use the lifts properly than on grabbing chairs and trying to maneuver them to make up for people's failure to load properly. But there is a sign next to the lift that said "If you do not know how to use the lift, let the operator know" I guess I should have said "He does not know how to use the lift" instead of "Hold the lift" But I think "Hold the lift" is pretty clear...it means HOLD it. It is also possible that the lift operator was one of the fellows hired from no English speaking countrys. There seems to be quite a few at MC this year. The gjy may not have understood what to you was a simple instruction. Next time try hand signals. Pops |
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"VtSkier" wrote in message ... Mary Malmros wrote: wrote: Anyway, I have two gripes with the damn chair lift operator. Gripe away and see below. 1. One time, when the chair came around, I looked at the operator and said "HOLD the chair" but he didnt do anything, and the chair actually knocked my friend down and went over his head (luckily my friend was lying flat on the ground). What does that idiot think I meant when I told him "HOLD THE CHAIR" See below about newby lift riders. Also, how does one lie "flat on the ground" with skis on? Inquiring minds... Yes, I've helped people who have crashed on exiting by making sure they keep their heads down. He probably thought you were having a flashback to the '70s, when holding the chair was the done thing. Lifts and lift operations have both changed since then, and nowadays lift operators are more likely to concentrate their efforts on getting people to use the lifts properly than on grabbing chairs and trying to maneuver them to make up for people's failure to load properly. Mary, there are not lifties left over from the 70's BTW, one of the items of the National Ski Patrol's skier/rider responsibility code is as follows: Ayup, see below. "Prior to using any lift, you must have the knowledge and ability to load, ride and unload safely." Now, there are some unusual lifts out there, so it should be said: not everyone can ride every lift, and not every lift can be operator-adjusted to accomodate every rider. However, I spend a lot of time taking small children on lifts, and I've got a pretty good idea of where the edge lies as far as someone who's not very strong, not very big and doesn't move very fast being able to use a chairlift. The little guys can do it -- often with some assistance from the adults they're riding up with, but without the operator holding the chair -- so the operator probably didn't expect an able-bodied adult to need that kind of assistance. If it's a fixed-grip lift, the liftie should momentarily stop the chair with his weight so that the guest can sit down without the chair doing serious damage to the backs of his/her legs. After three months of practice, the kids from elsewhere who don't speak very good English are just now "getting it". I've taken to dropping my hand to prevent chair-smack on fixed grip lifts and complementing the the liftie when he does it right, also with a "thank you". Poma lifts are another matter. The modern way of doing it with you in motion by the time the liftie pulls the chain releasing the pole is a whole lot better than the old way of standing still with the liftie standing on the tails of your skies and not stepping off until the spring is stretched to max. It does take a bit of practice to get it right though. Oh, and how does one get familiar with a lift without riding it? So the newby's responsibility is to tell the liftie that he/she is a newby and would you please slow the thing down so I can get the feel of it and not have any immediate accidents. And I think "STOP THE CHAIR" would be a better call to the liftie, as "STOP" is less ambiguous than "HOLD" for one who may not speak English too well. If that's what you wanted. See, I'm a little confused by the ambiguity. See above about newby lift riders. When you feel like bitching about lifties, try to imagine yourself doing this job day in and day out. Then imagine yourself doing this job for around $8.50 per hour. VtSkier They do get a free lift pass too don't they? Pops |
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I make it a point to get to know the lifties. Here, at least, most of the
lifties take their responsablities seriously--especially when it comes to guest safety and comfort (in spite of poor working conditions and even poorer pay)--But accidents can and will happen no matter what. I've also seen guests do some amazing things at the most unexpected moments. -- I ski, therefore I am wrote in message oups.com... Ok, my friend and I got to Mountain Creek about 8:30, got our tickets and rentals. Got on the learning slope around 9:15, went down the hill twice (its about 200 feet) Took the 10am lesson, to be honest, for me, I didnt learn anything from the lesson, it just gave me a chance to practice what I knew. Anyway, after the lesson went up on Sugar hill (the lift all the way on the left) with my friend. I would go down and to the side about 200 feet then wait and direct him. He had trouble making it without falling...its frustrating when people do not listen to instructions...like he fell and hes on his back and hes trying to just stand up. I tell him that its impossible, and he has to use his poles and lean against them for support, but he keeps trying to just standup while flat on his back. Anyway, after going down twice with me stopping every 200 feet to direct him, he sat out, so I made two runs (VERY CROWDED) Then he tried it once more with me stopping and directing him, then I did 2 more runs then we left. Anyway, I have two gripes with the damn chair lift operator. 1. One time, when the chair came around, I looked at the operator and said "HOLD the chair" but he didnt do anything, and the chair actually knocked my friend down and went over his head (luckily my friend was lying flat on the ground). What does that idiot think I meant when I told him "HOLD THE CHAIR" 2. Since I went on the lift by myself, I went on the "Singles" line. But most of the people there were in groups. A couple of times, I actually asked the guy in front of me "Is this the Singles Line?" I got the reply yes, and he turns around and talks to his group of 2-3 on the Singles line. Isnt the operator supposed to enforce this rule? One time, there was a group of 3 on this line, and their friends showed up, so it turned into a group of 7!! Dude...when people are in groups on the 'Singles' line, kick them off and make them get on the back of the line. Question (forgot to ask them) - when I rented the skis I got a copy of the renter agreement (white paper) when I returned the skis, they wrote a "Ret" on the paper. Was I supposed to hand it in to someone? I called and asked and this exchanged happened: Me - Do I give the white paper to someone? MC - No. Me - How do you know I returned my skis then? (so I wont get charged) MC - Did it get a R on the white paper? Me - Yes...but how would YOU know I have the R...I have the paper MC - We have the other 2 copies Me - But they wrote the R on MY paper, not your copy MC - We check every ski at the end of the day Me - ok, whatever. But are you telling me they check every ski and then say "Ok Ski 53827 is missing...lets look through EVERY paper to see who rented it" That doesnt make sense. It would make more sense for me to show them my White paper, and get my two copies back... so whoever left a copy at the end of the day, thats who did not return the skis. But anyway, was I supposed to give the paper to someone? Thanks ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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