My trip report (Chair operators = Idiots)

"The Real Bev" wrote in message
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Mary Malmros wrote:
The Real Bev wrote:

If a guest fell, the guy WASN'T doing his job.

Hasn't this discussion gone far enough? A beginner guest fell getting on
the lift. It's the lifty's job to make sure that doesn't happen. What a
guest (a PAYING guest, mind you) says or doesn't say should be irrelevant.


No way! It's their job to pay attention and do what they can when they
recognize a problem and to stop the lift immediately if anything goes wrong.
They are not omniscient.

"The Real Bev" wrote in message
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Walt wrote:
The Real Bev wrote:
Mary Malmros wrote:
The Real Bev wrote:

In this case the loader's job was to help newbies get on the lift.

So let him do it. Don't tell him how; _he's_ not the newbie.

If a guest fell, the guy WASN'T doing his job.

Oh, c'mon Bev. The liftie can't protect every klutz newbie from
themselves. I've seen some pretty bodacious gomerage in the lift line,
and there is nothing that the liftie can do to prevent it short of
shooting them with a tranquilizer gun and schlepping the motionless body
onto the chair.

There are times when that would be the proper action, but I bet it doesn't
actually happen very much.

Now, I'm not saying that the OP and his buddy were this out of control
(wasn't there myself) but every time a guest falls it's the liftie's
fault? Are you serious? When did you burn your Libertarian card and
replace it with a subscription to Nanny State Monthly?

These are paying customers. For $50+ I'd expect a more than passing
interest from the staff in keeping me alive long enough to spend more
money. They put pads on the lift towers, right? Anybody who doesn't
realize that a steel pole is gonna hurt you if you smack it hard enough
doesn't deserve to ski, but the resorts do it anyway.

**** happens all the time, but when someone's job is to ensure that
newbies get on the lift without injuring themselves and/or others, I would
expect that he'd be ready to do whatever was necessary when a guest
started to fall.


Cheers,
Bev



C'mon Bev, you're killing me. It wasn't that long ago that my kids were
first timers. On the beginners lift I told the lift operator that my kids
were first timers and they slowed the lift to a crawl. It was MY
responsibility to communicate clearly what our needs were when we got to the
front of the line. It was not the lift operator's job to guess what I was
thinking. And that's talking about little kids getting on the lift. Adults
should be held to a higher communication standard; if you don't know that
you need help then you shouldn't be there until you've observed enough lift
loads and asked enough questions to be a reasonable risk when getting on the
lift. If the lift operator wasn't chattin' up some cutie and stopped the
lift as soon as he recognized a problem, then he did his job.

Bryan wrote:
"The Real Bev" wrote:

**** happens all the time, but when someone's job is to ensure that
newbies get on the lift without injuring themselves and/or others, I would
expect that he'd be ready to do whatever was necessary when a guest
started to fall.

C'mon Bev, you're killing me. It wasn't that long ago that my kids were
first timers. On the beginners lift I told the lift operator that my kids
were first timers and they slowed the lift to a crawl. It was MY
responsibility to communicate clearly what our needs were when we got to the
front of the line. It was not the lift operator's job to guess what I was
thinking. And that's talking about little kids getting on the lift. Adults
should be held to a higher communication standard; if you don't know that
you need help then you shouldn't be there until you've observed enough lift
loads and asked enough questions to be a reasonable risk when getting on the
lift. If the lift operator wasn't chattin' up some cutie and stopped the
lift as soon as he recognized a problem, then he did his job.

Yeahyeahyeah. But we're talking about two virgins here, and nobody
taught them the proper terminology and procedures. I'm just saying that
the resort and its staff should take a little extra care with the
newbies until they figure out how the system works.

Cheers,
Bev

Mary Malmros wrote:

The Real Bev wrote:

I would expect that he'd be ready to do whatever was necessary when a
guest started to fall.

You'd expect in error, then. I've never trained as a lifty, but I can
state that with confidence, since I also work with guests and have never
received any training that said or suggested that I would be expected to
do "whatever was necessary" -- which would certainly include throwing
myself in harm's way to "take one for the team", just as a f'rinstance
-- to prevent an injury to a guest.

Damn, you just don't quit, do you? You must be an incredibly fast typist.

I do, though. King's X. It behooves each of us to be sufficiently
self-sufficient that we need NEVER expect assistance from others, even
those paid to provide that assistance. I don't need the goddam lifty in
order to get on the lift, so neither should anybody else. They're
superfluous. Anybody who can't get on a lift properly deserves to be
smacked in the head if (s)he falls. Hey, it's not like ski areas are
hurting for business. One customer dies, another takes his place.
That's the law of the jungle.

Can't wait for next season...

Cheers,
Bev

"The Real Bev" wrote in message
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Bryan wrote:
"The Real Bev" wrote:
lift. If the lift operator wasn't chattin' up some cutie and stopped the
lift as soon as he recognized a problem, then he did his job.

Yeahyeahyeah. But we're talking about two virgins here, and nobody taught
them the proper terminology and procedures. I'm just saying that the
resort and its staff should take a little extra care with the newbies
until they figure out how the system works.

But Bev, How are the staff supposed to know a virgin when they see one
unless the virgin communicates clearly to the staff. Rhetorical, no answer
required.

Mary Malmros wrote:


What is _with_ you, Bev?

ROFL

The Real Bev wrote:

Mary Malmros wrote:


The Real Bev wrote:


I would expect that he'd be ready to do whatever was necessary when a
guest started to fall.


You'd expect in error, then. I've never trained as a lifty, but I can
state that with confidence, since I also work with guests and have
never received any training that said or suggested that I would be
expected to do "whatever was necessary" -- which would certainly
include throwing myself in harm's way to "take one for the team", just
as a f'rinstance -- to prevent an injury to a guest.


Damn, you just don't quit, do you?

I compliment you on your sense of fashion, Ms. Pot. Black still _is_
the new black.

You must be an incredibly fast typist.

I do, though. King's X. It behooves each of us to be sufficiently
self-sufficient that we need NEVER expect assistance from others, even
those paid to provide that assistance.

There's a big happy medium between the polar opposites of "pick my ass
up and put it on the lift for me, _ensuring_ that I will come to no
harm" and "never render any assistance". That's the realm of the real
world, and that's where lift ops resides.

I don't need the goddam lifty in
order to get on the lift, so neither should anybody else. They're
superfluous. Anybody who can't get on a lift properly deserves to be
smacked in the head if (s)he falls. Hey, it's not like ski areas are
hurting for business. One customer dies, another takes his place.
That's the law of the jungle.

And now you're just being absurd. Conversation over.

Can't wait for next season...

Me neither. Clearly, you need to go skiing.

BrritSki wrote:

Mary Malmros wrote:


What is _with_ you, Bev?


ROFL

Another nation heard from. Care to weigh in with your opinion on how we
should be equipping all novice chairlift users with padded suits and
Depends?

Phlubarb wrote:

Mary Malmros wrote:


Another nation heard from. Care to weigh in with your opinion on how we
should be equipping all novice chairlift users with padded suits and
Depends?


Here's another nation.

Oooh, Brrt, you're in ugly, ugly company.

*plonk*