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my first distance workout on inlines
Lots of fun.
Took my new inline skates out on the wide quiet streets near our apartment. I figured I could go back and switch to my rollerskis when I found out that I couldn't get a good workout with the skates (because of lack of resistance or because I was too scared of the speed). Started out revisiting lots of places I've enjoyed on rollerskis, but I went so far so fast that I got confused out on roads I'd never been to before. After a few minutes practicing, I felt good enough with braking. So I tried some downhills and felt confident on those. Then some curves, and my legs still remembered how to do cross-overs from my childhood ice rink days. Then I worked on braking from higher speeds. And discovered that I _like_ speeds, way higher than I ever dared on rollerskis. Got chased by five 9th-grade boys on bicycles, who posed unexpected questions when they caught me at a stop sign. Heart Rate: highs about the same as rollerskis, but the lows were lower. I think the highs were due to me being unable to resist playing with my newfound speed. I'll guess that once I've gotten over that, my average heart rate, both highs and lows, will be 5 or 10 beats lower than on rollerskis. That's a _good_ thing for my long slow distance workouts. Never did use that plastic buckle around the ankle of the skate. Instead I tightened the laces for better support. Then after a long time my toes were getting numb, so I took my skates off for a minute -- no problem. After that I decided to keep my laces comfortable, and just learn to skate with less support. Worked fine for me -- I've got years and years of practice skiing and ice-skating in unsupportive boots. Ankle bend. Never before practiced such deep ankle bend, and for so many minutes. I suspect it's the lower resistive force of inlines that allows me to easily play with a larger range of motion. Still skating two hours later. Never did go back for the rollerskis. Inlines are way more fun. Ken |
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Ken - it would be interesting to hear your reaction to an inline workout
with poles. Tim From: "Ken Roberts" Organization: AT&T Worldnet Newsgroups: rec.skiing.nordic Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:39:37 GMT Subject: my first distance workout on inlines Lots of fun. Took my new inline skates out on the wide quiet streets near our apartment. I figured I could go back and switch to my rollerskis when I found out that I couldn't get a good workout with the skates (because of lack of resistance or because I was too scared of the speed). Started out revisiting lots of places I've enjoyed on rollerskis, but I went so far so fast that I got confused out on roads I'd never been to before. After a few minutes practicing, I felt good enough with braking. So I tried some downhills and felt confident on those. Then some curves, and my legs still remembered how to do cross-overs from my childhood ice rink days. Then I worked on braking from higher speeds. And discovered that I _like_ speeds, way higher than I ever dared on rollerskis. Got chased by five 9th-grade boys on bicycles, who posed unexpected questions when they caught me at a stop sign. Heart Rate: highs about the same as rollerskis, but the lows were lower. I think the highs were due to me being unable to resist playing with my newfound speed. I'll guess that once I've gotten over that, my average heart rate, both highs and lows, will be 5 or 10 beats lower than on rollerskis. That's a _good_ thing for my long slow distance workouts. Never did use that plastic buckle around the ankle of the skate. Instead I tightened the laces for better support. Then after a long time my toes were getting numb, so I took my skates off for a minute -- no problem. After that I decided to keep my laces comfortable, and just learn to skate with less support. Worked fine for me -- I've got years and years of practice skiing and ice-skating in unsupportive boots. Ankle bend. Never before practiced such deep ankle bend, and for so many minutes. I suspect it's the lower resistive force of inlines that allows me to easily play with a larger range of motion. Still skating two hours later. Never did go back for the rollerskis. Inlines are way more fun. Ken |
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tim, I started out on inline skates with poles. It is pretty fast, and almost makes the poles unusable. When I migrated to the roller-skis the poles made much more sense. I love to inline skate and I like roller skiing. I treat them as very separate exercise with very different purposes. With that in mind..........enjoy both.........Jim Tim Dudley wrote: Ken - it would be interesting to hear your reaction to an inline workout with poles. Tim From: "Ken Roberts" Organization: AT&T Worldnet Newsgroups: rec.skiing.nordic Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:39:37 GMT Subject: my first distance workout on inlines Lots of fun. Took my new inline skates out on the wide quiet streets near our apartment. I figured I could go back and switch to my rollerskis when I found out that I couldn't get a good workout with the skates (because of lack of resistance or because I was too scared of the speed). Started out revisiting lots of places I've enjoyed on rollerskis, but I went so far so fast that I got confused out on roads I'd never been to before. After a few minutes practicing, I felt good enough with braking. So I tried some downhills and felt confident on those. Then some curves, and my legs still remembered how to do cross-overs from my childhood ice rink days. Then I worked on braking from higher speeds. And discovered that I _like_ speeds, way higher than I ever dared on rollerskis. Got chased by five 9th-grade boys on bicycles, who posed unexpected questions when they caught me at a stop sign. Heart Rate: highs about the same as rollerskis, but the lows were lower. I think the highs were due to me being unable to resist playing with my newfound speed. I'll guess that once I've gotten over that, my average heart rate, both highs and lows, will be 5 or 10 beats lower than on rollerskis. That's a _good_ thing for my long slow distance workouts. Never did use that plastic buckle around the ankle of the skate. Instead I tightened the laces for better support. Then after a long time my toes were getting numb, so I took my skates off for a minute -- no problem. After that I decided to keep my laces comfortable, and just learn to skate with less support. Worked fine for me -- I've got years and years of practice skiing and ice-skating in unsupportive boots. Ankle bend. Never before practiced such deep ankle bend, and for so many minutes. I suspect it's the lower resistive force of inlines that allows me to easily play with a larger range of motion. Still skating two hours later. Never did go back for the rollerskis. Inlines are way more fun. Ken "If a man does his best, what else is there?" - General George S. Patton (1885-1945) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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my first distance workout on inlines
FWIW, I've been inline skating with poles since the late '80's ... you've got
to find bigger hills to climb with inlines. Yeah, the downhills are fast, but the time going down is shorter, then right back up the next climb, you can keep your HR up plenty. We picked out some long loops (~25km) in the country, going clockwise to minimize road crossing. Also look for roads that lack stop signs at the bottom of the downhills, sure saves on $$ replacing the brakes. With practice, you can skate down just about anything doing slolom turns, or in unfamiliar territory, walk in the grass (or snow banks in a low snow January). There was only one hill we wouldn't go down ... Tans Road ... long, twisty, blind turns. Made for an excellent climb, but just too risky for a decent on blades ! = jw milwaukee |
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my first distance workout on inlines
I'm not a fast skier or an especially skillful one, but I like my
inline skates (lowish level by Bauer I think) way more than rollerskis (V2 aeros) because I feel so much safer. The balance is a little easier and I have little fear on my skates in the park. As a result, I can ski with a lot of abandon and really get up and over my "skis." With the rollerskis I'm so stressed about falling that I'm pretty tentative -- not good for technique I think. (though part of the problem may be that the boots I use rollerskiing are too soft -- I guess I need to bite the bullet and use my good boots on them. But that requires new bindings...) Using the skates is like skiing on very well groomwed terrain with excellent snow -- the easiest learnign conditions but also easy conditions to be sloppy if I want. So I skate consciously thinking about snow technique and not doing stuff that's impossible or ineffective on skis (like pushing off with the toe too much). I just wish my skates were slower -- I only have to V1 a tiny bit on the loop I use, which is not good practice for skiing on hilly terrain. I got a pair of Carbonics wheels from Jenex and mean to put them on my skates soon to slow things down. JT |
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This is all so interesting.
I find roller skis safer as the speeds are slower, and consequentially the damage potential from falling is probably lower. I can understand that initially roller skis may feel less stable, but at the faster range of each I feel more stable on a longer wheel base. Also the skate position when inlining doesn't seem to allow for much adjustment to avoid a fall. I suppose it's a matter of what you are used to. My experience with roller skis goes way back, but then so too with in line skates. It must have been in the early 80's that I messed around on Olle's Innovative Sports in line skates the year that skating overwhelmed the WC scene at the VM in Seefield. Olle's Innovative Sports became Roller Blade. I bought a pair of the first Roller Blades marketed from Champion Nordic in Michigan. (I mention Champion, because they ripped me off seriously when they went bankrupt. They incouraged customers to buy by offering a discount if you paid with a check. I ordered a bunch of stuff. They cashed the check, and then went out of business. I never got the stuff.) I used those Roller Blade Zebras for many years, and they became more useful for ski training as they became slower. Back then, I could find no skate roller skis that I liked. There were a lot of dogs out there. Then I went to the standard inline race boot- Bont Hustler and used them for both speed skate training and ski training. For skiing I used a five wheel frame with 2 slow jenex wheels and some dummy cheap slow hockey wheels. For speedskate training I used a four wheel frame with medium grade bearings and soft wheels, The 4 wheel frame allows for a lower profile- more like an ice skate. Anyway, I rarely inline these days, and when I do I feel like I may crash and burn at any second. The speeds are frightening, and all it takes is one pebble. Don't recall ever hurting myself in a roller ski fall, indeed I think I never really had a out of control fall. (Today when training the bearing on my speed reducer froze, and I sort of almost fell, and that's about as close as I've come.) But, I have served up some very serious road rash on in line skates. So to sum my experience up, in lines seem less safe to me, and I think it is all a matter of what you are used to. Gary Jacobson Rosendale, NY "John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote in message om... I'm not a fast skier or an especially skillful one, but I like my inline skates (lowish level by Bauer I think) way more than rollerskis (V2 aeros) because I feel so much safer. The balance is a little easier and I have little fear on my skates in the park. As a result, I can ski with a lot of abandon and really get up and over my "skis." With the rollerskis I'm so stressed about falling that I'm pretty tentative -- not good for technique I think. (though part of the problem may be that the boots I use rollerskiing are too soft -- I guess I need to bite the bullet and use my good boots on them. But that requires new bindings...) Using the skates is like skiing on very well groomwed terrain with excellent snow -- the easiest learnign conditions but also easy conditions to be sloppy if I want. So I skate consciously thinking about snow technique and not doing stuff that's impossible or ineffective on skis (like pushing off with the toe too much). I just wish my skates were slower -- I only have to V1 a tiny bit on the loop I use, which is not good practice for skiing on hilly terrain. I got a pair of Carbonics wheels from Jenex and mean to put them on my skates soon to slow things down. JT |
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I find roller skis safer as the speeds are slower, and consequentially the
damage potential from falling is probably lower. I guess it's a matter of perspective. Is it better to roll and slide falling off your skates at 20mph (or more), or *splat* at 10mph on your roller skis? I'd rather pick gravel out of my butt, than work with a jammed wrist. I'm off biking ! jw milwaukee (still no Potter??) |
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John's comments pretty much mirror my
own - I had some V2 classic roller skis for a year to supplement my 8? year old K2 midrange skates (with slow wheels) - I sold the V2s - they just were not nearly as much fun, and I didn't feel as safe on them. I think I'm probably more willing and happy to skate with gear that I really like, so I'm going to keep doing it - and it hasn't seemed to hurt me competitively. BTW, I have a rolling loop where I work out - my PR with poles for one lap is 3:00 with poles, and 3:01 without. Without, I guess I'm a little more aero, and with poles, I've got a larger group of muscles working. I'm sure that if I attempted to learn current in-line tech, I'd go faster that way, but I'm not very interested in that. Erik Brooks, Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Forrest Tomlinson" To: "Multiple recipients of list NORDIC-SKI" Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:41 PM Subject: my first distance workout on inlines I'm not a fast skier or an especially skillful one, but I like my inline skates (lowish level by Bauer I think) way more than rollerskis (V2 aeros) because I feel so much safer. The balance is a little easier and I have little fear on my skates in the park. As a result, I can ski with a lot of abandon and really get up and over my "skis." With the rollerskis I'm so stressed about falling that I'm pretty tentative -- not good for technique I think. (though part of the problem may be that the boots I use rollerskiing are too soft -- I guess I need to bite the bullet and use my good boots on them. But that requires new bindings...) Using the skates is like skiing on very well groomwed terrain with excellent snow -- the easiest learnign conditions but also easy conditions to be sloppy if I want. So I skate consciously thinking about snow technique and not doing stuff that's impossible or ineffective on skis (like pushing off with the toe too much). I just wish my skates were slower -- I only have to V1 a tiny bit on the loop I use, which is not good practice for skiing on hilly terrain. I got a pair of Carbonics wheels from Jenex and mean to put them on my skates soon to slow things down. JT |
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Hitting a pebble on the road is as bad on small-diameter-wheel rollerskis as
inline skates. But at least if I'm skating in good light and weather I can _see_ that pebble or stick as I approach. What really scares me is the _unexpected_ sudden changes: Car drivers making sudden turn-arounds, joggers and/or dogs darting into the street without warning. My favorite: a turkey jumping out of a bush right in front of me (then getting into a fight with a dog). It's in reacting to the unexpected where I see rollerskis as inferior for quick stops or avoidance maneuvers. Ken Gary Jacobson wrote: Anyway, I rarely inline these days, and when I do I feel like I may crash and burn at any second. The speeds are frightening, and all it takes is one pebble. |
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