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Kind of OFF TOPIC, but kinda on topic... Just read ( see below ) that FLoyd Landis was training up to 50 hours/week riding in his early formative years. Is this what it takes to get to the top?? wow, thats huge hours. I remember some elite college skiing buddies mentioning 25 hours a week and I thought that was huge. Maybe these huge hours that Floyd was doing early on are what it takes to develop yourself fully for later ?? JK Landis won the junior national cross country race at Michigan's Traverse City when he was 18. He graduated from Conestoga Valley High School in 1994 and moved to Irvine in California where he first raced for TWB - a tiny bike component company - and then for Chevy Trucks. However,Landis' cycling career appeared to be over when the latter sponsorship was yanked in the spring of 1998. He decided not to return to Farmsersville but stayed in California and did what came naturally: he rode for hours on end. "I didn't know what else to do," he says. Landis was still unemployed after a couple of months of 50-hour training weeks - but in terrific shape. He and Geoghegan - who'd been a Chevy Trucks teammate - decided to enter some road races. The pair took pleasure in creating chaos in the peloton; they'd attack out of the gate and stage arguments in front of other riders: "It's my turn to go." http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishex...522-qqqx=1.asp Full Floyd article. |
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32 degrees wrote: Kind of OFF TOPIC, but kinda on topic... Just read ( see below ) that FLoyd Landis was training up to 50 hours/week riding in his early formative years. Is this what it takes to get to the top?? wow, thats huge hours. I remember some elite college skiing buddies mentioning 25 hours a week and I thought that was huge. Maybe these huge hours that Floyd was doing early on are what it takes to develop yourself fully for later ?? JK I've heard it expostulated that anyone with a more or less normal physiology has what it takes to become a top cyclist. At least in the physical department. It's then a matter of mental strength and proper training. Floyd himself says it's all about he who trains hardest and most wins. Pros ride about 35,000km a year in training. Call that an average of 3 hours per day, 6 days a week. Actually it's probably more during the season and pre-season. 50 hours per week seems extreme but I suppose it helped more than it hurt. If I won lotto I'm sure I could swing 25 a week. If it were a job as exciting as bike racing, no problem upping that. I'm sure skiing is the same. Joseph Landis won the junior national cross country race at Michigan's Traverse City when he was 18. He graduated from Conestoga Valley High School in 1994 and moved to Irvine in California where he first raced for TWB - a tiny bike component company - and then for Chevy Trucks. However,Landis' cycling career appeared to be over when the latter sponsorship was yanked in the spring of 1998. He decided not to return to Farmsersville but stayed in California and did what came naturally: he rode for hours on end. "I didn't know what else to do," he says. Landis was still unemployed after a couple of months of 50-hour training weeks - but in terrific shape. He and Geoghegan - who'd been a Chevy Trucks teammate - decided to enter some road races. The pair took pleasure in creating chaos in the peloton; they'd attack out of the gate and stage arguments in front of other riders: "It's my turn to go." http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishex...522-qqqx=1.asp |
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Joseph wrote
I've heard it expostulated that anyone with a more or less normal physiology has what it takes to become a top cyclist. I'm not getting this. Perhaps it would help if it were explained what the words "normal physiology" and "what it takes" are supposed to mean in that sentence. Ken |
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Ken Roberts wrote: Joseph wrote I've heard it expostulated that anyone with a more or less normal physiology has what it takes to become a top cyclist. I'm not getting this. Perhaps it would help if it were explained what the words "normal physiology" and "what it takes" are supposed to mean in that sentence. Ken Normal physiology means no significant deformities or stange proportions. Basically a normal person. Having what it takes means they have the raw building blocks on which to build an elite cyclist. By "top" I didn't mean anyone could win the Tour de France, but I meant they could be at least good enough to be selected to ride in it. Joseph |
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I might agree with you Joseph.
We had a young rider here in my town who was on our track running team as a freshman and sophomore. He showed no brilliance in distance running ( a sure sign of a simply normal VO2 max ) and in fact was much slower than some of the other kids. He then took up cycling. He's amassed hundreds, possibly thousands of hours on the bike and is now in Belgium competing for a team there. At 20 years of age he's dang tough. I'd not be surprised to see him in the TdFrance someday with his work ethic, mental strength, and hard training attitude. Google Todd Elenz and you'll see his results. He will occasionally ski with me in the winter when he's home now and can nearly kick my butt - I"m no slouch either - !! He has no skiing form, no technical skills, and BAD equipment, but all the endurance and lung capacity in the world. How much can one increase your V02 max simply by training? Certainly we all have a physiological limit ... JK wrote in message oups.com... 32 degrees wrote: Kind of OFF TOPIC, but kinda on topic... Just read ( see below ) that FLoyd Landis was training up to 50 hours/week riding in his early formative years. Is this what it takes to get to the top?? wow, thats huge hours. I remember some elite college skiing buddies mentioning 25 hours a week and I thought that was huge. Maybe these huge hours that Floyd was doing early on are what it takes to develop yourself fully for later ?? JK I've heard it expostulated that anyone with a more or less normal physiology has what it takes to become a top cyclist. At least in the physical department. It's then a matter of mental strength and proper training. Floyd himself says it's all about he who trains hardest and most wins. Pros ride about 35,000km a year in training. Call that an average of 3 hours per day, 6 days a week. Actually it's probably more during the season and pre-season. 50 hours per week seems extreme but I suppose it helped more than it hurt. If I won lotto I'm sure I could swing 25 a week. If it were a job as exciting as bike racing, no problem upping that. I'm sure skiing is the same. Joseph Landis won the junior national cross country race at Michigan's Traverse City when he was 18. He graduated from Conestoga Valley High School in 1994 and moved to Irvine in California where he first raced for TWB - a tiny bike component company - and then for Chevy Trucks. However,Landis' cycling career appeared to be over when the latter sponsorship was yanked in the spring of 1998. He decided not to return to Farmsersville but stayed in California and did what came naturally: he rode for hours on end. "I didn't know what else to do," he says. Landis was still unemployed after a couple of months of 50-hour training weeks - but in terrific shape. He and Geoghegan - who'd been a Chevy Trucks teammate - decided to enter some road races. The pair took pleasure in creating chaos in the peloton; they'd attack out of the gate and stage arguments in front of other riders: "It's my turn to go." http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishex...522-qqqx=1.asp |
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:39:37 -0400, "32 degrees"
wrote: I might agree with you Joseph. We had a young rider here in my town who was on our track running team as a freshman and sophomore. He showed no brilliance in distance running ( a sure sign of a simply normal VO2 max ) and in fact was much slower than some of the other kids. He then took up cycling. He's amassed hundreds, possibly thousands of hours on the bike and is now in Belgium competing for a team there. At 20 years of age he's dang tough. I'd not be surprised to see him in the TdFrance someday with his work ethic, mental strength, and hard training attitude. Google Todd Elenz and you'll see his results. There are at least ten thousand riders competing on a team in Belgium. And several hundred that are excellent riders. It's quite an accomplishment for a rider from the US to travel to another country and to get onto a good team. I see he's on a good team the does Interclub events -- that's excellent. And each year perhaps 30 Belgium-based riders "turn professional" (join one of the approximately 100 top teams in the world -- which includes minor pro teams in Belgium, the US and many other countries). It's a big jump to make that step. And then, to go from that to, say participating in the Tour of France or even getting onto one of the top 20 pro teams in the world is another matter entirely. JFT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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You certainly are one of the biking experts in the group John....
tell me more. What sort of team is Todd on? Are his results in the races you googled "excellent" or just "ok" ???? Anytime someone can average over 23mph in a time trial I say WOW, but of course, I'm an average joe on a bike. For a 20 yr. old would you say he's possible tour de france material? Or is that a joke? He emails me results occasionally and I'll note that he is in the top %% of many of the races - no wins, but then again he's not a sprinter type. At 5'11" and 140 pounds he's built for mountain stages and long races. JK My initial point was, like Joseph said, an average joe can make it pretty big in the biking world. This kid showed no promise as an aerobic athlete when i first coached him but since has certainly proved he is - through sheer hard work. "John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:39:37 -0400, "32 degrees" wrote: I might agree with you Joseph. We had a young rider here in my town who was on our track running team as a freshman and sophomore. He showed no brilliance in distance running ( a sure sign of a simply normal VO2 max ) and in fact was much slower than some of the other kids. He then took up cycling. He's amassed hundreds, possibly thousands of hours on the bike and is now in Belgium competing for a team there. At 20 years of age he's dang tough. I'd not be surprised to see him in the TdFrance someday with his work ethic, mental strength, and hard training attitude. Google Todd Elenz and you'll see his results. There are at least ten thousand riders competing on a team in Belgium. And several hundred that are excellent riders. It's quite an accomplishment for a rider from the US to travel to another country and to get onto a good team. I see he's on a good team the does Interclub events -- that's excellent. And each year perhaps 30 Belgium-based riders "turn professional" (join one of the approximately 100 top teams in the world -- which includes minor pro teams in Belgium, the US and many other countries). It's a big jump to make that step. And then, to go from that to, say participating in the Tour of France or even getting onto one of the top 20 pro teams in the world is another matter entirely. JFT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:14:12 -0400, "32 degrees"
wrote: You certainly are one of the biking experts in the group John.... tell me more. What sort of team is Todd on? Are his results in the races you googled "excellent" or just "ok" ???? Way better than I could achieve. I'm guessing only a couple hundred American riders have his ability at the moment. Anytime someone can average over 23mph in a time trial I say WOW, but of course, I'm an average joe on a bike. For a 20 yr. old would you say he's possible tour de france material? Or is that a joke? Almost everyone who reaches that level has some earlier experience dominating other riders at the highest amateur or under-23 levels of the sport. So if he wins or places very highly in some of the *biggest* races his team competes in withing the next year or two, then *maybe* -- that is to say it hasn't been ruled out. But unless he demonstrates that sort of exceptional ability, no chance. The discussion of the guy who was the topic of the start of this thread is an example. I believe that within his first year of road racing Floyd Landis came up against the second-biggest US pro team in a bunch of races and was gettig top places behind their guys and beating everyone else, so he was invited onto their team within the first year or two of road racing. Huge talent shows immediately. JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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How much can one increase your V02 max simply by training? Certainly we all have a physiological limit ... I think the focus top level athletes' VO2max makes us think it is imperative in order to do well. We never hear what the VO2max of the other guys is. Guys like Landis may have a VO2max of 90, but what about second/third tier guys like Mengin, or Geslin? If you look at the ITT they (perhaps taking it a bit easy) only output about 75% of the power Landis and those guys put out. These guys may not win, but they are most certainly elite top level athletes. I'm sure their VO2max is someting much more human and attainable than Floyd's! Joseph |
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