On May 17, 5:40 am, downhill wrote:

What I am saying it is bull**** if you think you can slide to inside of
turn, slow speeds do not count as your not developing enough forces to
really be in a turn

No. Your bull**** is that you're keeping using wrong assumptions to
draw wrong conclusions and still thinking you are some kind of
experts. No, you cannot slide to inside of a turn in skiing; it is not
because the definitions of "skid" and "slip" are wrong but you've
forgot to factor in the effects that slopes and gravity having on
skis. And yes, you can slide a car to inside of a turn. In the movie
"2 fast 2 furious in Tokyo," or something like that, it showed two
cars raced on a parking lot ramp, slide/skid-turned all the way up to
the upper level.

airplane is not a proper example speed difference and aerodynamic forces
make it a poor choice for an example vs a skier no contact patch, it is
back to the snowmobile pushing the skier to the inside of the turn

Airplane demonstrates the turning forces in 3D, and skiing is in 2D.
The phenomenon maybe appear differently, but the underline principle
is the same.

A rear wheel drive doing a fish tail on ice will go in the direction
based on the type of differential in the car and the grip of the ice or
surface. 90 percent of the time to get it to fish tail you need to do a
dirt trick turn right to go left
In a right hand turn if you get oversteer the car will go to the left
never to the inside of the turn. I am talking prior to loosing it as it
becomes unstable in a condition like spinning.

Too complicated, to recover from a skidding, turn the steering to the
direction of the skidding; now, how do you recognize and recover a
"slip" on a mountain road?

If your racing on hard pack and you hit a unpacked section your radius
will increase as there will be more compression in the surface

Not really, if the unpacked surface is softer than the hard pack, than
the car would slow down, and a slower car makes a shorter radius turn,
so the increased radius may not be due to unpack surface but something
else, e.g. tires lose their grip?