Jeff Potter wrote:

Janne G wrote:

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I think that the "to be or not to be" "knee nose toe" discussion is comming
from the dominant use of V2 which in it self change the posture of the working
body and by that change the movment equation a little. What's right and whats
wrong
in that discussion i don't dear to elaborate on

In my efforts to really hone in on the V2 in rollerskiing this year, I've found that
there are indeed essential posture differences from V1A. It's not just a different
tempo. The Norgi tapes talk about the same posture used in ALL techniques, and
they're probably right to a degree, or maybe they're more right as one becomes elite,
but for me I find that the speed comes out when I've made some fairly big changes.

Can it be because they need more muscles in certain places to start changing the
posture?
I have found out that i can't use my back doing V2 compared to classic sking or
all other
skating techniques due to the arm tempo is so much higher in V2. BUT i have also
seen that
i have a more upright posture in all skating techs now days since i started to do
mostly
V2. The only time i use my back to a large degree is going uphill where all
muscles count...

I for my own say the same as Thomas Ahlsgaard said "just do it" with the diff that
you should try to experiment with all variants of tech that there are and find
whats working for you.

That's why I say you need to test via TimeTrials to see if various bright ideas are
working. Feel is probably a good indicator. But the clock might be better.

Like in my one report on my long medium hill workout: my times to the top with V1,
V1A, V2 were all basically the same! Heartrate was higher with V2, muscle stress felt
greater with V1. In real life, I think I'll do what I always have: use whatever seems
fastest when I'm on the trail!!!

To get something out of a new tech you have to do it for some time to get used to
it and
develop the muscles that are used for that speciallity to get something usefull
out
of a time trail. Not jump into it for fun for one session and from that draw the
master thesis on whats right or wrong for you. It takes time to get used to and to
deside on whats right for you.

It's the same about DoublePush in inline skating, everybody says that they know
whats best,

I recall that DP is now only used by half the racers, that winners and top people do
'regular' skate just as often now. It's not always faster or even faster at all for
everyone. Is that right?

My back have thought me some lessions about inline racing this summer (i have
stoped
doing it serius) so i can't say that much about it now. But from my point of view
i would say that Dp is great to conserve energy and still going fast but i use
classical stride going steep uphill and also in fast burst of sprints. So i
combine
all techs, and Dp isn't one tech, it's a varite of "gears" just like there are in
XC-skating or skiing. So if you don't master all the "gears" you can't get all out
of
the tech and therefore switch over to classical stride again and say "it don't
work".

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Forward in all directions

Janne G