"Mike T" wrote

it felt on a 164 compared to 160. And trust me, that Palmer feels
like a much bigger board, I've ridden a 178 before and it was
easier to handle than this one.

Was that 178 by any chance an OSin 4807? Gotta be the shortest effective edge of any 178 I have seen, with that *HUGE* nose that
overshadows the fact that the effective edge goes all the way to the tail.

I'm sure I don't need to remind anyone that effective edge is usually a more apples-to-apples comparison, but since most boards
have a similar edge-to-length ratio, people like to talk overall length 'cause it's usually printed on the board and in the model
name...

Hmm.. Gotta take that back, it was a 174 Palmer Shape. AFAIR it indeed has
less effective edge than it could for its length, while the Channel Titanium
has a pretty low shovel so lots of edge for the length.

Also tried a 173 Fastback, and it still was easier to handle than the freakin
Channel Titanium.