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Based on what I noticed while teaching a ski clinic last night, I agree with the "compromise" position. My one concern about the "new skate" with newer/"weaker"/ less accomplished skiers, is the emphasis on cadence. I think it would be easy for a less technically proficient skiier to have a fast cadence, but always be _between their skis_, rather than rapidly transferring their weight from ski to ski.
I thought that Ken's outline was really great, and I plan on using it for a sort of "checklist" to teach by. However, for people just learning to skate, I think that it's a good idea to have them "slow down the motion" and ski slow and pretty (i.e., correct technique) rather than fast and choppy.
However, once you've got good weight transfer, I don't think that we should reserve the New Skate just for the "elite skiiers"-- for us ordinary mortals, I think that it would be good to try to achieve the more rapid turnover and faster glide that a higher cadence allows. As long as we try to keep the technique clean as we do that-- not getting into "windmill" mode!
Chris C.
SLC
Jeff Potter wrote:
Ken Roberts wrote:
[ ] and I see former
opponent Borowski joining forces with Vordenberg in new magazine articles.
It looks like Lee created a truce by saying that aspects of the old
'ride'n'glide' work better for weaker citizen skiers and that we mortals can't
use all the benefits of the elite new skate. In other words, Lee says he agrees
with Pete but only for elite skiers and that weaker skiers will bail out more
often into the old ride'n'glide. ??
[ ] I kept hoping the ideas
will get published in a book that everyone can read and discuss, but I still
haven't see it yet.
Is there a hot book out there? I have the oddly-shaped Ski Skating that seems
pretty good. Is it Old or New Skate? : )
[ ]
_____________________________________
The New Skate
-- ideas from Vordenberg's 2000-2001 articles
(A) Legs -- use both of them equally
Set them down in a 'ready to power' position, not too far under body.
Feet seem to have a smooth, continuous, 'swimming' style. Dynamic--no harsh
shove but also less rest-spots.
Heel-Power! Kick the powering foot down and FORWARD to keep heel down as long
as possible when powering. --As per speedskating.
(C) Quiet Upper Body
Hands/arms work more in a 'flicky' way---less huge commitment and total
followthru. Max the sweetspot and bail on the rest.
[ ]
(2) No dipping or twisting or rotating -- never ever.
I recall Lee saying that weaker skiers will twist as well as glide more. Also
that personal style brings aspects of Old Skate into play even with WC skiers.
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DIVBased on what I noticed while teaching a ski clinic last night, I agree with the "compromise" position. My one concern about the "new skate" with newer/"weaker"/ less accomplished skiers, is the emphasis on cadence. I think it would be easy for a less technically proficient skiier to have a fast cadence, but always be _between their skis_, rather than rapidly transferring their weight from ski to ski. /DIV
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DIVI thought that Ken's outline was really great, and I plan on using it for a sort of "checklist" to teach by. However, for people just learning to skate, I think that it's a good idea to have them "slow down the motion" and ski slow and pretty (i.e., correct technique) rather than fast and choppy./DIV
DIV /DIV
DIVHowever, once you've got good weight transfer, I don't think that we should reserve the New Skate just for the "elite skiiers"-- for us ordinary mortals, I think that it would be good to try to achieve the more rapid turnover and faster glide that a higher cadence allows. As long as we try to keep the technique clean as we do that-- not getting into "windmill" mode!/DIV
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DIVChris C./DIV
DIVSLCBRBRBIJeff Potter >/I/B wrote:/DIV
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