"Pure" AT Binding Feedback?
 

I know this has been asked before, but thought it'd be worth checking
if anyone has had firsthand experience with this binding.

I'm particularly interested in the ergonomics--how touring comfort
compares with the Naxo and the Dynafit...

Thanks in advance,

Jon

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Jon wrote:
I know this has been asked before, but thought it'd be worth checking
if anyone has had firsthand experience with this binding.

I'm particularly interested in the ergonomics--how touring comfort
compares with the Naxo and the Dynafit...


_ I have the Silveretta 500 which ergonomically is very similar
to the Pure, but a bit heavier. I have heard some reports of
first season Pure's being breakable. I also own the Naxo and
Dynafits. Of the three, I think the Silveretta probably is the
easiest to use. It changes modes with a ski pole and the pivot
point is under the toe so kick'n'glide and climbing is fairly
straightforward. The Naxo double pivot thing helps on lower
angle stuff, but still isn't as good as the silveretta or
dynafit pivot points. The only drawback to the dynafit is
that changing modes is more complicated than the others.

_ Each one of these bindings does certain things well. Let
me know what exactly you're planning to use it for on what
skis and I can offer more advice.

_ Booker C.Bense



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Booker:

Thanks a lot, that helps.

What I plan to do is mostly doing yo-yo style skiing in the Northeast
(at abondoned downhill areas, old CCC trails, etc.). Your comments tip
the balance toward the Pure, as I really want something that feels as
natural as possible while climbing and doing approaches. (Plus, I get
a deal on Pure, but not the others, so that helps...)

My only substantial experience on rando set-ups is with the Naxo, and I
kind of liked it--but of course I was mostly following a guide's skin
track. But my intuition tells me the Pure will be better, somewhat
based on the massive improvement in nordic racing gear we all
experienced when the pivot points of the boots were moved back a little
bit.

Best wishes,

Jon

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Jon wrote:
Booker:

Thanks a lot, that helps.

What I plan to do is mostly doing yo-yo style skiing in the Northeast
(at abondoned downhill areas, old CCC trails, etc.). Your comments tip
the balance toward the Pure, as I really want something that feels as
natural as possible while climbing and doing approaches. (Plus, I get
a deal on Pure, but not the others, so that helps...)


_ I think the silveretta bindings work quite well for that kind
of stuff. They do kick'n'glide pretty well if you have a boot
that allows enough ankle flex, whereas the Naxo is
just shuffling at best. Plus with the Pure you can use lighter
weight mountaineering boots when the mode strikes you.

_ Booker C. Bense

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Booker C. Bense bbense+rec.skiing.backcountry.Nov.07.05@telemark. slac.stanford.edu wrote:

I have heard some reports of first season Pure's being breakable.

First season anything seems to be breakable.

-klaus

Hi klaus

I have heard some reports of first season Pure's being breakable.
First season anything seems to be breakable.

What I know from a guy from a well know alpine touring shop the reported
situations were such, where any other binding would break too (crashing
into rocks, edges of the skis ripped out by the same accident....).

Florian

For what it's worth, I just order some directly from Garmont, and they
said they now ship them with extra toe "pieces" that are beefier than
the stock ones, since whatever this piece exactly is, it was seen as a
bit prone to breaking. Lou Dawson's site recommends against buying
pre-2004/2005 models, as he thinks they're way inferior. The Garmont
guy says 2006 hasn't changed at all (except that Garmont USA throws in
the extra plastic pieces for you...)

Jon

Florian Anwander schrieb:

What I know from a guy from a well know alpine touring shop the reported
situations were such, where any other binding would break too (crashing
into rocks, edges of the skis ripped out by the same accident....).

Yep, but the first generation Pure seems to have a week point in the
heel fixing (some play - if this is the correct term (?) )

Greetings,

Uli

Uli Hausmann wrote:
Florian Anwander schrieb:

What I know from a guy from a well know alpine touring shop the
reported situations were such, where any other binding would break too
(crashing into rocks, edges of the skis ripped out by the same
accident....).


Yep, but the first generation Pure seems to have a week point in the
heel fixing (some play - if this is the correct term (?) )

The front casting was (amongst other things) also a weak point and could
break. It was beefed up in 2005 and there are now 3... or is it 4
different Pures for 2006. Personally I wouldn't buy any Alpine Touring
gear until it has done a season unless I had to.

Just for the record:

Skied last 2 days with the Pure and think they're great. The pivot
point makes a big difference compared with other bindings I've tried
that pivot in front of the boot. Besides feeling more ergo, it's
easier to handle the ski when doing things like switchbacks, etc.